What do you think is the Best Class

[ViperDE2004]

Il Start.  I have a 38 sorc 1 monk 1 pally. You can fit alot of mantle on that build.  

-Viper

[Maxou]

Il Start.  I have a 38 sorc 1 monk 1 pally. You can fit alot of mantle on that build. 

-Viper

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You mean mage vs mage ? Bleh ... 38 sorc sucks vs fighter ( low hp , etc ) .

[Anheg]

' my mage is 38 sorc and i have yet to have a melee beat me.

[Maxou]

About that thread > If you mean mage dueler only I don't think there is something to say anymore . Most current build are 38 sorc 1 pal 1 monk and 39 wiz  1 monk .

You can be somewhere original but it would be difficult .

If you mean trying to do some ... allround like mage you can do something with that thread . Giving some advice to people that want and etc but mage dueler only is .... easy to create ( yknow what I mean ) .

[Blood Angel]

Best class for dueling when it comes to mages it's the wizard. The sorceror is weaker because he needs intelligence for his skills, whereas the wizard doesn't need any cha at all.

[Celestial1]

Try something like 35wiz/3pally/2monk... deflect arrows + saving throw bonuses...

~Celestial

[BzK]

Try something like 35wiz/3pally/2monk... deflect arrows + saving throw bonuses...

~Celestial

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Sorry, Celest had a chip missing when he posted that.  What he meant to say was 35 sorc/3 pally/2 monk

[Celestial1]

My brain was missing.

Anyway, yeah. What he said.

~Celestial

[Maxou]

My brain was missing.

Anyway, yeah. What he said.

~Celestial

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A bit difficult to get good AC with that because you won't get any shield . But that can work vs archer ( difficult to build though ) .

[kristie dian]

for my opinion the best mage is:20 sorc 10 PM 10 RDD (look at taffy)
or there is still my new mage build 35 wiz 4 fighter 1 monk original and strongue MOUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Tea-cup]

Mage/hider is about the worse to duel. 90ac/700-800hp/30+str/50+ab/80+spellmantles/26caster/uncanny/120+concentrate/combatcasting/epicspells

If used right, there isn't much that beats it. Thing that do beat it is a ranged 50+sr monk with 80ac, with uncanny or 110+spot.

This isn't exact a good build to do mage duels with either, it wins but hiding to avoid spells isn't something common for mage duels. You always can melee a pure mage vs mage with 50 ab, deals 80+ damage anyway. But I don't think you'll get much mages duels if you do that

If you want to make a living fortress you best make a 88+ac sr monk/2sd/1wiz with 120hide or so, can resist spells, has high ac/dam, and can use hips too. Bit more wizard allows dispels as extra, pretty good against buffers.

Those builds are about the strongest, but "best", I don't think that does exist in nwn, just like there isn't a "best" player.

-Mel

[Blood Angel]

Mages usually use shields for ac, which means you can't use deflect arrows.

[Tea-cup]

Mages usually use shields for ac, which means you can't use deflect arrows.

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Agree. To use deflect arrows and still having good ac you need enough wisdom. It's way cheaper to get stilled spells and useing heavy armor/shield and spare statpoints for constitution so you can get high hp/concentrate. Things a mage needs.

-Mel

[Maxou]

Mage/hider is about the worse to duel. 90ac/700-800hp/30+str/50+ab/80+spellmantles/26caster/uncanny/120+concentrate/combatcasting/epicspells

If used right, there isn't much that beats it. Thing that do beat it is a ranged 50+sr monk with 80ac, with uncanny or 110+spot.

This isn't exact a good build to do mage duels with either, it wins but hiding to avoid spells isn't something common for mage duels. You always can melee a pure mage vs mage with 50 ab, deals 80+ damage anyway. But I don't think you'll get much mages duels if you do that

If you want to make a living fortress you best make a 88+ac sr monk/2sd/1wiz with 120hide or so, can resist spells, has high ac/dam, and can use hips too. Bit more wizard allows dispels as extra, pretty good against buffers.

Those builds are about the strongest, but "best", I don't think that does exist in nwn, just like there isn't a "best" player.

-Mel

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Yeah mage hider are really strong . About that dispell thing it's pretty usefull vs WM when no PM . In a build like mage hider some ward would be usefull instead of the common hell ball .

[kristie dian]

mage hider are strongue but seriusly.........do you really tink there funny there is no fun about alwais hiding in a mage duel for my opinion its just bored i already dueled mel when she ad a build like that that duel ws boring

[Tea-cup]

mage hider are strongue but seriusly.........do you really tink there funny there is no fun about alwais hiding in a mage duel for my opinion its just bored i already dueled mel when she ad a build like that that duel ws boring

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It's, you lose the duel before you started. Well that's boring yes.

Best duels are still againts poeple with a build that can make a close fight to you.

-Mel

[Blood Angel]

well mage hiders don't really work now do they? I mean since you can't cast and hide within one round.

[Tea-cup]

well mage hiders don't really work now do they? I mean since you can't cast and hide within one round.

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Well, you mantle and when the other want to dispel you hide and dispel your opponent. If you move a bit on top of it you can be pretty nasty with that, and win a load of time.

All I can say, it works. Any mage I dueled was way easyer with that hider than with a normal mage. Mages it beats include (but isn't limited to ) talon, maxou, kristie. Maybe I never beat them with a normal one.

Still a hider/monk that's well made is immortal to that mage.

-Mel

[Knuckles]

Your only immortal when you have a range wep. Every mage hates to see a sling or darts or a bow etc. Becuase the shilds are useless and you really don't need to go multi-class with sorc or wizards.
I can make a really good lvl40 wizard. I don't need ab or "high" ac
anykind of mage is ment to focase on Spells and nothing more.

[Morticia]

hmmm how about a many mantle mage with bow?
u cast mantle/ when other mage starts dispelling u shoot and then cast mantle again

hmm that would take too many rounds no?

[Knuckles]

I guess but still you need some wep feats or be an elf. But what if you can't make a good bow and arrow? What would you use then?

[HellSlayer]

I like hiders. It has been a long time since i posted something lol.

[HellSlayer]

I have no idea why i post in old ones put its fun  

[BzK]

I have no idea why i post in old ones put its fun 

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Let's not make it a habit...

[Elessar Telrunya]

jeeez you guys, get away from the monk! most likely your going to be putting more to int and con than wisdom so that doesnt work. my mage has 82 ac(87 w/epic mage armor) with 29sorc,10pm,1fighter



-Lord Elessar

[BzK]

That's 3 extra feats you don't need =P

[Soul Sojourner]

In my opinion, monk makes every build better...

[Elessar Telrunya]

That's 3 extra feats you don't need =P

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how so? i use auto still to be able to wear armor and shield without armor and fighter is the best way to get it.


-Lord Elessar

[BzK]

how so? i use auto still to be able to wear armor and shield without armor and fighter is the best way to get it.
-Lord Elessar

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auto still is 3 feats...

I'd use paladin anyway, for the saves

[Elessar Telrunya]

auto still is 3 feats...

I'd use paladin anyway, for the saves

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well i'm ok on that, i dont think there are other feats that i could add to it... not sure though...


-Lord Elessar