Decrease saving throws!!!

[spring1978uk]

I think the maximum saving throw bonuses from items should be reduced to maybe +10 instead of +20 because people can end up with some obscene saves (60+ sound familiar?) and it makes it impossible for casters to use any spell with a reflex save (which is most of the evocation attack spells).

The only people that can use save-based abilities are monks with stunning fist and that's only if they max the DC by +20 using feats.

That's about all really, do I have a fair point?

[thanatos]

It sounds fair, but the problem with that is duels will end too fast.

For PvM, I made a sorc w/ total focus on necromancy, and all the monsters died w/ one wail of the banshee because it's DC 40 or something, but I digress.

I understand what you want accomplished, but as far as I am concerned, there are many other damage spells that work just as well.  Besides, those with high Relfex almost always have Evasion, and you can't BAN that as that's within a class ability.

ADD: As for Monks, they have low AB, so their abilities are hard to use.  You gotta be really lucky, or hope your opponent is a bad dueler.

[Wobbles]

ADD: As for Monks, they have low AB, so their abilities are hard to use.  You gotta be really lucky, or hope your opponent is a bad dueler.

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You must not know how to make a monk, then.

[Tea-cup]

I think the maximum saving throw bonuses from items should be reduced to maybe +10 instead of +20 because people can end up with some obscene saves (60+ sound familiar?) and it makes it impossible for casters to use any spell with a reflex save (which is most of the evocation attack spells).

The only people that can use save-based abilities are monks with stunning fist and that's only if they max the DC by +20 using feats.

That's about all really, do I have a fair point?

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Making more spells usefull would be nice. But how about the balance? I think casters a pretty strong already, isn't it?

A fine idea how to balance casters a bit more to the other classes would be nice.

-Mel

[thanatos]

You must not know how to make a monk, then.

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I'd love to see a monk who can hit my melee characteers without relying on 20s.

[Knuckles]

I'd love to see a monk who can hit my melee characteers without relying on 20s.

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That would be me

[Wobbles]

That would be me

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That would be any TS STR monk Shadowdancer, If made properly.

[BzK]

I have a monk that can hit 3x a round and not use TS =P

[maverick]

yea u just need to hide then hope they stay flatfooted

[thanatos]

Flat footed is a bitch .

Didn't think about that lol.  My point is disproven.  *sniffs*

[Illutian]

could just remove ALL saving throws on items and make it more challenging to build a decent dueler, i mean 60-20 would be 40 and that's about as high as a caster can get their DC (think 53 is max or something like that) and if that's the case then you'll need to rely on your rolls, LIKE YOU'RE SUPPOSE TO. and this thing about duels being too short...um...so. you just get to duel more often then.
-this would also help monk's(stunning fist) and WM's (Deva crit)

[Celestial1]

Affecting saving throws would just be a bit too much chaos.

~Celestial

[BzK]

removing saving throws would make everybody use pally or blackguard with charisma based chars

[Illutian]

then put a limit on them like with the AB limit of 90, that way you can put as much saving throw on items but you'll still be limited (this limit would also apply to racial/class -take that Blackguards/Paladins!)