Author Topic: Builds (Read 25473 times)

Anheg · « **on:** February 18, 2005, 10:18:19 AM »

Yesterday, i was trying to think of some builds to help Ron out. He said he wants to stick with bards. But, i was thinking that we could post some of our better ideas here so that everyone could benifit. This can be for any class. As I see them i will add them to this top List.

Arcane Archers
16 Bard/1 Monk/23 AA
10 Monk/ 1 Wizard/ 29 AA
8 Monk/ 3 Wiz/ 29 AA

Bards
16 Bard/12 PM/12 RDD
16 Bard/23 Monk/1 SD

Weapon Masters
11 Fighter/1 Wizard/ 28 WM

Sorcerers
27 sorc 10 pm 3 palidan
20 sorc 10 pm 10 RDD
38 sorc 1 pally 1 monk
29 sorc 10 pm 1 monk

Monks or Anti-Monks
29 Monk/1 Wizard/10 RDD
11 Monk/1 Wizard/28 DD
7 Monk/ 5 Paladin/ 28 DD

Paladins
29 Paladin/1 Sorc/10 RDD
26 Paladin/4 Sorc/10 RDD

Champions of Torm
14 Paladin/25 CoT/1 Monk

Clerics
38 Cleric/1 Monk/1 Shadow Dancer
22 Cleric/17 monk/1 Shadow Dancer
31 Cleric/7 Weapon Master/ 2 Shadow Dancer

Roncescal · « **Reply #1 on:** February 18, 2005, 11:48:11 AM »

Oh sweet

... now i have where to pick from !!!

By the way, i'd be gratefull if someone also posted sorcerer builds, cuz what i dont like is having to set spells every time i log in as happens to mages.

Ron (the noobest Lord ever)

mIRO]cRO[ · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2005, 12:19:03 PM »

sorcerers:
38 sorc 1 pally 1 monk
29 sorc 10 pm 1 monk

CleTus · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2005, 12:51:40 PM »

For all around mage there's a few good classes..
27 sorc 10 pm 3 palidan.. Immune to crits, good ac, and divine shield, also get Automatic still spell for battle mages..

Or you could do 20 sorc 10 pm 10 RDD

For mage vs. mage..

The most common but most boring 38 sorc/ 1 palidan/ 1 Monk

There's not really much to tellyou about that rather than to experiment yourself. I made 20 sorc/10 rogue/10 CoT and it came out with 1080 hp. You'll want that monk lvl tho.

fireknight40 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 27, 2005, 01:08:20 AM »

Personally I like my hider AA for team battles (inspired by Ryu and is the same build) but anyways:
16 Bard/23 Arcane Archer/1 Shadow Dancer

Has low AC and loses most duels but very effective in team duels if used correctly.
(Note this was inspired by Ryu who told me this build.)

mIRO]cRO[ · « **Reply #5 on:** March 27, 2005, 04:58:35 AM »

Note that in 70-80%of TvT teams you have anti hider,so the usage of a SD is pretty much useless

Maxou · « **Reply #6 on:** March 28, 2005, 03:23:51 AM »

About sorc : 28 sorc , 10 rdd , 2 barb > you can melee with that one making it 60 ab , hitting dexer and char on hell ball ts . Though the best mage char are 29 sorc 10 PM 1 monk .

About aa : 18 monk 1 sorc/wiz 21 aa . Does help to duel aa . Good AC and conceal . You ts unarmed so aa can't hit you when you ts ( opportunity attack > deflected by the monk thing ) .

About monks : Best monks are atm 37/35 monk 1 wiz/sorc 2/4 sd . high spot and hide , ab = 60 , dmg in the 70/80 .

About hiders : I like the 36 cleric 2 monk 2 sd . Really good char .

About melee : hmm wanna join the brute force of Doriath ? Str char 52 str

and DC 51 on deva crit

then go sorc pally rdd

mIRO]cRO[ · « **Reply #7 on:** March 28, 2005, 05:26:44 AM »

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About hiders : I like the 36 cleric 2 monk 2 sd . Really good char .

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try 16 monk (for that 1-20 damage roll),2 sd and the rest cleric.Kickass

Blood Angel · « **Reply #8 on:** March 28, 2005, 09:00:37 AM »

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About aa : 18 monk 1 sorc/wiz 21 aa . Does help to duel aa . Good AC and conceal . You ts unarmed so aa can't hit you when you ts ( opportunity attack > deflected by the monk thing ) .

Well I have another AA build, 8wiz 3monk 29aa. imp invis rather than empty body, but still the same char. I dunno if that'll work tho, cuz I can't remember building the char like that lol, haven't looked in nwn for a while.
I've got a 9wiz aa tho, that was when bigby's interposing hand was working, was real good.

Anheg · « **Reply #9 on:** April 08, 2005, 10:04:12 AM »

Ron, I heard you were on the other day. Seriously, you should know how to build even if you perfer Talon's Bard AA. I would be willing to make you a set of items, just to show you what needs to be added and to show you how the properties should be spread out.

If any Doriath member is just looking for a new build just look here, lots of good ideas.

Roncescal · « **Reply #10 on:** April 08, 2005, 01:15:27 PM »

Thank you very much Ahheg, i really appreciate it

. Of course i'd like to learn how to build good chars

, i swear ive tried it but the results well....

The reason i only use Talon's char is due to that (obviously), but also because ive got an identity at Godspire with that char, and ive focused all this time on the social aspect.

Anyway, ill try to learn.

Ron.

|- Shion -| · « **Reply #11 on:** April 12, 2005, 02:36:14 AM »

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Personally I like my hider AA for team battles (inspired by Ryu and is the same build) but anyways:
16 Bard/23 Arcane Archer/1 Shadow Dancer

Has low AC and loses most duels but very effective in team duels if used correctly.
(Note this was inspired by Ryu who told me this build.)
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Only could be effective against noob clans since the strongest clans know than need to have at least 1 or 2 anti-hiders , one tip before going to TvT : think urself what the enemy could think about builds and try to see though the possibilities of various buiilds available , and if u see though the possibilities , anti hider having at least one of them is already a dead to SD. U cant go fight a battle before thinking about the possibilities and consequenties or u are 100% dead!!

Maxou · « **Reply #12 on:** April 12, 2005, 06:57:53 AM »

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Only could be effective against noob clans since the strongest clans know than need to have at least 1 or 2 anti-hiders , one tip before going to TvT : think urself what the enemy could think about builds and try to see though the possibilities of various buiilds available , and if u see though the possibilities , anti hider having at least one of them is already a dead to SD. U cant go fight a battle before thinking about the possibilities and consequenties or u are 100% dead!!
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I don't agree with you here shion . That build can work , especially on aa ( high dex ) . Making it 127 hide easily because of high dex will pwn 127 spot . I tried 127 spot vs 127 hide and I couldn't spot the char all the time ( 1 time for 3 try ) . I was elf too btw . Though the low AC wouldn't be that good on team vs team since 3v1 .

Anheg · « **Reply #13 on:** April 12, 2005, 10:21:05 AM »

That build wouldnt be made for taking any dmg, the whole point would be sniping with very high damage

Maxou · « **Reply #14 on:** April 12, 2005, 11:48:23 AM »

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Yeah , and a thought : that build can get over 85 AC in team vs team ( because of cleric spells ) .

About str builds :
1) Bard / ( at least 10 ) rdd / 1 sorc .
High AC thing , taunt + curse song , ab in the 60 - 70 , spot .
2) 28 Cleric / 2 bard / 10 rdd
High AC thing too ( over 90 if built properly ) , taunt , cleric spells , ab over 60 I guess , spot if high int .

About mage build :
Well known but that is a good build anyway
28 sorc 2 sd 10 rdd ( level can have variation ) . A dexer char , hitting with melee , high AC ( 90 ) , ab = 60 , sorc spells . Efficient char ( very efficient ) if built AND played properly .

About some hider ( a really good whore that one

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16 bard 2 sd 22 PM
Ac over 100 , high hide 120 or more , ab in the 60 .
This build litterraly pwn melees but the weak point is casters .

Hmm I'd like to create a monk , what kind of build would be fun guys ? Shion any thought ? ( since you're one of the best monk specialist I know ) .

mIRO]cRO[ · « **Reply #15 on:** April 12, 2005, 12:26:27 PM »

an cleric sd wm would kick ass.Think about it.High ac,massive ab,crits,hb,...the list goes on...

Anheg · « **Reply #16 on:** April 12, 2005, 02:04:38 PM »

Ya, but you would sacrifice a lot of the WM ab for more cleric levels to get the spells along with the fact that with no monk, the wisdom you need for spells would be only for spells, no other use.

mIRO]cRO[ · « **Reply #17 on:** April 12, 2005, 02:07:35 PM »

not to mention the massive skill points needed.Must have atleast 14 int

|- Shion -| · « **Reply #18 on:** April 12, 2005, 11:31:11 PM »

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Yeah , and a thought : that build can get over 85 AC in team vs team ( because of cleric spells ) .

About str builds :
1) Bard / ( at least 10 ) rdd / 1 sorc .
High AC thing , taunt + curse song , ab in the 60 - 70 , spot .
2) 28 Cleric / 2 bard / 10 rdd
High AC thing too ( over 90 if built properly ) , taunt , cleric spells , ab over 60 I guess , spot if high int .

About mage build :
Well known but that is a good build anyway
28 sorc 2 sd 10 rdd ( level can have variation ) . A dexer char , hitting with melee , high AC ( 90 ) , ab = 60 , sorc spells . Efficient char ( very efficient ) if built AND played properly .

About some hider ( a really good whore that one ):
16 bard 2 sd 22 PM
Ac over 100 , high hide 120 or more , ab in the 60 .
This build litterraly pwn melees but the weak point is casters .

Hmm I'd like to create a monk , what kind of build would be fun guys ? Shion any thought ? ( since you're one of the best monk specialist I know ) .
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Well relying on 20s i not see fun , just for 5 minutes is fun but after that is boring , well if u want a fun build u could make a monk bard and sd , the ac could get around 100 if im not mistaked and around 54-60 ab. But remeber this build is like bard aa monk than run low of resources cause need pretty balanced stats like dex wisdon cha cons mixed at starting stats which means than u need to know how to balance well to make him perfect at stats. And have a monk pm with 4 wizard lv with rizard spells and 119 conc with 125 listen but remeber when u listen the enemy u can see but will stop atacking which means than u need to keep clicking on oponent when he hide. Listen is diferent from spot , u know what i mean. Or use the hubba monk than have maxed dex , no good listen only hellball + ts then after that is only relying on 20s which is weak since is pretty high ac with pretty low HP, but seriousily that build not have wizard spells like remove blindess to make him good x wof as the before monk i told to u have. After i making hubba build for test , i found numerous disvantagens but is fun anywas if is what u are asking.

have fun

|- Shion -| · « **Reply #19 on:** April 12, 2005, 11:32:14 PM »

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not to mention the massive skill points needed.Must have atleast 14 int
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True , 14 for human and 16 for the rest of classes.

|- Shion -| · « **Reply #20 on:** April 12, 2005, 11:35:34 PM »

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I don't agree with you here shion . That build can work , especially on aa ( high dex ) . Making it 127 hide easily because of high dex will pwn 127 spot . I tried 127 spot vs 127 hide and I couldn't spot the char all the time ( 1 time for 3 try ) . I was elf too btw . Though the low AC wouldn't be that good on team vs team since 3v1 .
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U tested that against 160 spot ranger? i not believe than hiding will work ......

Maxou · « **Reply #21 on:** April 13, 2005, 02:04:41 AM »

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U tested that against 160 spot ranger? i not believe than hiding will work ......
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Like all the skills , spot is kept at 127 on GodSpire , and I guess ( but I could be wrong ) at nwn .
Btw I don't understand how you could get 160 spot lol

even with 50 wis , focus on spot , epic focus , vigilance ( the +2 thing ) : let's say 43 ( normal stats ) + 20 ( wisdom modificator ) + 50 ( skill bonus ) + 12 ( focus ) +2 = 137 . But it's blocked at 127 spot like all the other stats on GodSpire . With my cleric , my normal spot would be over 127 , on top of that I am elf .

Ty for the monk ideas

What about some deva criters idea guys ?

Blood Angel · « **Reply #22 on:** April 13, 2005, 07:15:20 AM »

Cleric wm sd build is easy, 31 cleric 7wm and 2sd. Only thing that's a bit low is hp which is over 600 (From what I've seen when we've gone to war there have been ppl with 450, so 600+ shouldn't be a prob...)

And on those spotting builds, seriously go listen, ppl can only fully increase one of the hiding abilities and hide has to be the one. Listen is really good for that, but that's IF the opponent has to move. With all of my hiding chars I never move to hide so no listen on me

never seen anyone other then me do that tho, so listen would work.

Maxou · « **Reply #23 on:** April 13, 2005, 08:39:30 AM »

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Cleric wm sd build is easy, 31 cleric 7wm and 2sd. Only thing that's a bit low is hp which is over 600 (From what I've seen when we've gone to war there have been ppl with 450, so 600+ shouldn't be a prob...)

And on those spotting builds, seriously go listen, ppl can only fully increase one of the hiding abilities and hide has to be the one. Listen is really good for that, but that's IF the opponent has to move. With all of my hiding chars I never move to hide so no listen on me never seen anyone other then me do that tho, so listen would work.
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I do the same with my hider char that's the best way to use them , since that way you don't need to raise silent walk that much ( very good for a cleric monk sd build , since you need a lot of skills point hence int . ) I agree on the clerid wm sd , it's easy to build. Ab = 60's , go dex if you want to build a char that way , high AC thing ( over 90 if built properly ) . Low hide though if you go spot .

Maxou · « **Reply #24 on:** April 20, 2005, 02:48:16 AM »

I unfortunately built a 29 bard 10 rdd 1 sorc .... I am playing that char for 3 day and it happens to me the same thing that happened to huba with his monk PM .
Fear the bard rdd sorc invasion !!!! Bwhahaha . Though that build only attract noobs so it's ok

Noone of them is getting how to build em properly

Maxou · « **Reply #25 on:** June 04, 2005, 02:15:02 AM »

I created a new build : 22 Cleric 8 bard 10 PM
A caster char , can pwn any kind of melee ( exept monks high sr ) . All the cleric goodness is to use ( though I don't use wof nor harm ) . Can handle casters with taunt , negative burst + horn , silence + the spell given with the protection domain .
High taunt , conceal , high concentration , hell ball , around 700 hp and most importantly very high AC with divine shield > 94 AC .
That char can be usefull in team vs team and in the dungeon

The char is a bit hard to build properly though so I understand noobs don't play that .

Anheg · « **Reply #26 on:** June 04, 2005, 12:31:43 PM »

CleTus · « **Reply #27 on:** June 04, 2005, 05:16:11 PM »

SPAMMER^

Blood Angel · « **Reply #28 on:** June 04, 2005, 05:29:59 PM »

the trick is making a char that can beat all others. You can take melee, but who can't

and a simple mage pm won't beat a full mage or a high monk. Full mage is hard cuz the ac is low. A high lvled monk is a char that will fight for 5 mins in a duel and maybe will win, but maybe he'll lose. Where's the winning build

I'm all for my mage, especially because I don't go hp mage to beat mages. Make one build that can take all others - that's fucking hard :/

Maxou · « **Reply #29 on:** June 05, 2005, 03:02:26 AM »

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the trick is making a char that can beat all others. You can take melee, but who can't and a simple mage pm won't beat a full mage or a high monk. Full mage is hard cuz the ac is low. A high lvled monk is a char that will fight for 5 mins in a duel and maybe will win, but maybe he'll lose. Where's the winning build
I'm all for my mage, especially because I don't go hp mage to beat mages. Make one build that can take all others - that's fucking hard :/
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Atm you can't .... the game is pretty balanced though the best 2 builds for me are : 29 sorc 10 PM 1 monk and 37 monk 2 sd 1 wiz .
Both of them have their own weakness : monk sr , cleric spotter .
You might want to try 27 sorc 12 rdd 2 sd > can beat most of monk sr . But they ain't immune to crit and fear the bow masters

Do someone have an idea of a str char non sd, non PM , that can be fun to use ?

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Author Topic: Builds (Read 25473 times)