I would not go with the quad core. Your pc will hardly make use of the extra processing power. If I were you, and I was a few months ago when I bought my new computer, I'd get a Core 2 Duo 6350 and overclock that to around 3ghz. With the money saved from the quad-core get 2 more GB of RAM.
You also might want to go with the 640MB Nvidia. If it's not too much more.
Lastely I'd go with x2 smaller HDs like 320GB in RAID0
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Eh, either that or get it and just have your computer not go "out of date" for that much longer.
heh you see the problem is i'm buying a pc that's allready assembeld, because I have no time myself to assemble a pc (working in shifts + in weekends) and frankly i'm not feeling up to it anymore.
I don't know i'm feeling kinda "safer" to go for quad core cuz well face it like Hell said in a few months or maybe a year even a quad core will be outdated lol.
As for the HDD and the 3D-card I can always replace them with better ones.
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You can always replace a dual core with a quad core later for cheaper than replacing an old video card with a newer one. Games won't be truely multi-threaded for a couple of years yet.
How much for all those do-dads?
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Well the complete setup I placed in my first post it comes to a total of 1049â?¬ wich is according to a site 1470$ checked it on two sites and both give the same amount so yup 1470$
heh you see the problem is i'm buying a pc that's allready assembeld, because I have no time myself to assemble a pc (working in shifts + in weekends) and frankly i'm not feeling up to it anymore.
I don't know i'm feeling kinda "safer" to go for quad core cuz well face it like Hell said in a few months or maybe a year even a quad core will be outdated lol.
As for the HDD and the 3D-card I can always replace them with better ones.
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Thats no problem you can customize the computer on their site no?
Thats no problem you can customize the computer on their site no?
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yup, you can it's a computer store so I suppose you can say wich parts you wan't in the pc and all, but the setup i choose there looks pretty good and I think i'm gonna go with it maybe i'll just change the 3d-card with more memory but for the rest i'm pretty happy.
You can always replace a dual core with a quad core later for cheaper than replacing an old video card with a newer one. Games won't be truely multi-threaded for a couple of years yet.
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Aye, doing it sooner rather than later just saves you the trouble later on, and that's about it. :D
I'm really not sure what constitutes "medium detail", but laptops lack in two very important areas.
1)HDs are normally 5400rpm which are very slow.
2)Mobile video cards are pretty bad. Espcially an 8400
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thanks for the info, I don't know i always had a desktop and a laptop looks more convienent and I wan't a pc that i can take with me on travels...
thanks for the info, I don't know i always had a desktop and a laptop looks more convienent and I wan't a pc that i can take with me on travels...
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Get a PC in a portable case with a handle.
Ok what about this laptop then
Intel core 2 duo processor type: T7300
2048mb ddr-2 ram
GeForce 8600 M 512mb
320Gig HDD
good enough?
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Better but the video card still sucks for gaming.
Better but the video card still sucks for gaming.
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WTF? wich one then doesn't?
WTF? wich one then doesn't?
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Mo's just being a hard-ass. I use a GeForce 7900 GS 512MB and I can run Bioshock, Enemy Territory: Quake Wars and Hellgate: London at 1280X1024 with most, if not all, graphics cranked up.
-420
Better but the video card still sucks for gaming.
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lol Mo wtf man I posted on countless forums, asked everyone I know that I know they know smt about pc's and all said to me one thing, that the one that said that this card sucks for gaming is a freaking idiot lol everyone says that this laptop is pretty good and if I wanted a "gaming" laptop this one is pretty good for it too...
lol Mo wtf man I posted on countless forums, asked everyone I know that I know they know smt about pc's and all said to me one thing, that the one that said that this card sucks for gaming is a freaking idiot lol everyone says that this laptop is pretty good and if I wanted a "gaming" laptop this one is pretty good for it too...
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I've been building computers for 10 years, so probably longer than those people on your forums have been alive for. The 8600s are a low end gaming cards. Nvidia is releasing the 8800GT as their mainstream gaming card next month.
Read any review on the 8600GT or GTS and you'll see they are only mediocre gaming video cards. Now the one you have there is a mobile version, so thats even a slower clocked version (ie. worse for gaming).
An Nvidia 7900 would be a better choice for performance than an 8600 but you'll lose DX10.
Anyway it's your choice. if you only care about medium to low settings then go ahead.
I'm currently using an ATI HD2600PRO that would be around the performance of your card there. It's fine for games like Guild Wars and NWN and newer games at low res (maybe your laptop has a low res screen). But if you want high res gaming forget about it.
check this page out www.gpureview.com
I've been building computers for 10 years, so probably longer than those people on your forums have been alive for. The 8600s are a low end gaming cards. Nvidia is releasing the 8800GT as their mainstream gaming card next month.
Read any review on the 8600GT or GTS and you'll see they are only mediocre gaming video cards. Now the one you have there is a mobile version, so thats even a slower clocked version (ie. worse for gaming).
An Nvidia 7900 would be a better choice for performance than an 8600 but you'll lose DX10.
Anyway it's your choice. if you only care about medium to low settings then go ahead.
I'm currently using an ATI HD2600PRO that would be around the performance of your card there. It's fine for games like Guild Wars and NWN and newer games at low res (maybe your laptop has a low res screen). But if you want high res gaming forget about it.
check this page out www.gpureview.com
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Well there are laptops with a nvidia 7900 but i wan't the DX 10 possibility so that's why I wan't a geforce 8600, besides I don't mind gaming on medium detail, most games I play are RPG's and they don't require that much of your system.
And if 420 can run Bioshock on a GF 7900 with max settings why couldn't mine?
Performance is subjective. What I find as acceptable performance will differ from you. So go ahead and buy the laptop and let us know. I'm sure you'll be happy. I run games at 1600x1200 resolution, I'm sure your laptop has lower resolution. So as long as you don't use AA or AF you should be ok.
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lol i'm used to games on a 800x600 settings i only play GW at a higher resolution and AA and AF lol dunno when I last used them.
Also forget the say today i got a promotion at work so i'll need a laptop for work now.
Well there are laptops with a nvidia 7900 but i wan't the DX 10 possibility so that's why I wan't a geforce 8600, besides I don't mind gaming on medium detail, most games I play are RPG's and they don't require that much of your system.
And if 420 can run Bioshock on a GF 7900 with max settings why couldn't mine?
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Are you going to be running Vista?
Are you going to be running Vista?
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Sadly yes the laptop comes with windows vista on him, why?
Cause if you weren't, then there's no point in worrying about DX 10.
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ah, so direct x 10 will only be available on windows vista?
And ofcourse, a second reason and public secret: when DirectX 10 only works on Vista, Vista will sell better. Knowing Microsofts history, it's just normal that they like it this way.
- Mel
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Actually I think you have that backwards. The public secret is all that mumbojumbo about driver models.
As far as everyone is concerned DX10 is only in Vista for marketing reasons.
it's a pretty good pc unfortunately i can't get internet working on him i mean wtf...? i plug in my network cable and when i click on internet explorer i get the message can't connect to blablabla?
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Did you just call your computer a him? Razor, I think you're becoming a little too attached to it... just set down the mouse and back away... just back away. :lol:
What exactly is the message you're getting? And make sure if you have a firewall on it to check it.
first of all I don't have any routers i'm the only one in the house with a pc and who uses a pc so the pc is directly connected to the modem.
second of all my laptop doesn't have a firewall (well it had the windows firewall but i disabeled it)
third of all thanks for the advice Tyr i do have a cd with the laptop but didn't used it maybe that'll work...
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If you're directly connected to the modem I'd HIGHLY[/u] recommend turning the Windows firewall back ON.
Unless you don't care about network worms and intrusions.
If you're directly connected to the modem I'd HIGHLY[/u] recommend turning the Windows firewall back ON.
Unless you don't care about network worms and intrusions.
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lol? the pc isn't connected to the internet...it can't connect...
lol? the pc isn't connected to the internet...it can't connect...
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Well when it does connect turn on the firewall.
Oh by the way. Most modems don't like having new network cards plugged into them. Turn off your modem and computer for 10 mins then turn your modem back on and then turn your computer back on. I bet it will work.
If you have a DSL modem remember to configure the Internet Connection inside Windows.
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I think you are right, now posting with my laptop internet works from the moment I installed the drivers of my usb network card and used the card....oh well guess i'll use it for now hehe
BTW Hell yeah I called it "him" cuz it's my precious now and i'll shoot anyone who comes close to HIM!
Did you turn on Firewall?
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i downloaded ZoneAlard the first thing when internet got on :D
Fine. Never used it though.
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it's pretty good..
are you on your laptop right now?
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Yep, got another question tough
I tought let's update the drivers of my geforce and when i download the drivers from the nvidia site and when setup starts it says nvidia could not locate any drivers that are comptabible with your current hardware the setup program will now exit...?
so the drivers i downloaded for the geforce 8 series are not comptabible with my geforce 8600M GT card?
Yep, got another question tough
I tought let's update the drivers of my geforce and when i download the drivers from the nvidia site and when setup starts it says nvidia could not locate any drivers that are comptabible with your current hardware the setup program will now exit...?
so the drivers i downloaded for the geforce 8 series are not comptabible with my geforce 8600M GT card?
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Don't see why they shouldn't work. You downloaded for Vista 32-bit?
Don't see why they shouldn't work. You downloaded for Vista 32-bit?
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yep doesn't work at all i'm quite suprised myself Bioshock crashes after intro movie dammit wtf lol?
Maybe you're new computer is allergic to DRM hehe
Uhhhh...maybe you have 64bit Vista? :S
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nope tried the 64bit
anyway it says "setup could not locate any drivers that are comptabible for your current hardware and will now exit"
Odd. Maybe there's no Vista drivers for nvidia mobile...I'm unsure.
Are you sure you have that video card??
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offcourse lol i just checked the hardwaremanager and it says
nvidia geforce 8600M GT
i'm kinda getting the feeling i'm installing it in the wrong folder but dunno...? it's c:\NVIDIA....
EDIT ZOMG what I just read almost gave me a heart attack
check this
nVidia drivers are based on a system called Unified Driver Architecture (UDA) which means all nVidia card drivers are using one driver. However for some reasons, they just remove the support for installing those drivers for some cards, and mostly laptop-based GO cards.
We, the LaptopVideo2Go.com Team, are unlocking those restrictions and also fixing some problems and tweaking the drivers for the best experience with your laptop/desktop and nVidia graphics card.
This means ALL nVidia based graphics cards (TNT2, GeForce and Quadro) can use ANY of the drivers after using our 'modification'.
If you try to install any of these drivers without modification , you will most likely get this error:
"nVidia setup program could not locate any drivers that are compatible with your current hardware. Setup will now exit."
This is because of the restrictions of driver itself. To solve this issue and install the driver as it should be for your graphics card, you have to use our 'Modded INF'. Click here if you want to learn more about Modded INFs.
If your graphics card is one of those, you can use our Modded INF to alter installation restrictions:
well I must say they do their job QUITE good I succesfully installed the new drivers on my geforce and run bioshock in fucking full high quality and it looks freaking great lol! :D
I've gone from a cable to modem no problem and then used a router with the modem and again no problem. You may need to setup a Windows network?
Could you take some screen shots of Vista? I'm curious.
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you know i would have no problems with that but I can't find "paint" anywhere to past the screens or where the screenshots are saved i have no idea.... :o
BTW Hell yeah I called it "him" cuz it's my precious now and i'll shoot anyone who comes close to HIM!
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I knew you were gay. :lol:
you know i would have no problems with that but I can't find "paint" anywhere to past the screens or where the screenshots are saved i have no idea.... :o
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Bwahahahahaha!! That made me laugh madly for about five seconds, good job. rofl. :lol: :lol:
Paint... lmfao.
Here. Visit this (http://lucidmagic.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=2753) thread, and download one of those programs, they should do the trick for you. I'd suggest GIMP 2 myself. Your images will also come out better quality than if you used microsoft paint. If you need a link to something, just do a google search on the program name.
and second how's the deal now between dual core processors i saw NFS needs a 3Ghz processor now i have a dual core @2Ghz does that mean two processors @2Ghz=4Ghz??
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It's not really as cut and dry as 2x2Ghz = 4Ghz but a dual core 2Ghz is considered "faster" than a single core 3Ghz. Most games put down either the single core requirements or the dual core, they need to start putting both down.
-420
Games these days still only use 1 core and won't make use of the 2nd.
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*cough* Quake 4 *cough*
-420
first off what's the difference between HDR and bloom and wich is better in Oblivion to turn on cuz geforce cards can't turn both on.
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I don't know what HDR or bloom is. Hmm HDR... High Definition Rendering!? lol, it's a good guess but probably not. :D
*cough* Quake 4 *cough*
-420
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1 game and counting.
NFS is probably requesting a 3Ghz+ P4 processor. Which is absolute junk compared to lower clocked Core 2s. Don't worry about it. Besides the Extreme Editions there are no 3Ghz Core 2s, but basically all of them are faster than P4s, due to much better architectures. Games these days still only use 1 core and won't make use of the 2nd.
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dunno why i'm worriying lol if it can run bioshock on full detail NFS shouldn't be a problem...
but can someone give me a program to make screenies with cuz GIMP 2 doesn't work it starts loading and then stoppes in the half it never opens.....
Hypersonic sells them. :D
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Hypersonic just got bought by OCZ. Should be a good acquisitions. OCZ should be able to market these PCs better.
I got me a T61p (http://www.backoffice.be/shop/details.asp?partid=NH38YMB) and configured a gentoo (http://www.gentoo.org/) on it.
Words just aren't enough to describe this awesome combination.
- Mel
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Ah good old Thinkpads....For some reason I just can't get along with people who loved them. My ex-gf is obsessed with them.
I guess i can't understand all you introverted Asbergers-types who love those ugly things :P
I guess i can't understand all you introverted Asbergers-types who love those ugly things
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What I don't understand is how do you play Enemy Territory: Quake Wars on it?
-420
I got me a T61p (http://www.backoffice.be/shop/details.asp?partid=NH38YMB) .
Words just aren't enough to describe this awesome combination.
- Mel
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zomg that thing costs over 2600â?¬ ??? wtf?
What I don't understand is how do you play Enemy Territory: Quake Wars on it?
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I don't see the problem, can you be more specific?
@Mo: People just prefer them over you. ^_^
- Mel
I don't see the problem, can you be more specific?
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Well, for one thing, I don't think ET:QW runs on Linux. And for another, you can't get any serious W,A,S,D action done on that tiny little keyboard!
I hope you bought a larger computer to plug it in to.
-420
Well, for one thing, I don't think ET:QW runs on Linux. And for another, you can't get any serious W,A,S,D action done on that tiny little keyboard!
I hope you bought a larger computer to plug it in to.
-420
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He probably runs in it WINE, which is a Windows emulator. He mentioned he got Guild Wars working it in before I believe. I wouldn't expect good 3D graphical performance in that setup however.
I'm very comfortable with the keyboard. From a gamers view there is one flaw, from the left, the "ctrl" key comes after the "fn". On linux I can use the "fn" as "ctrl", so this flaw is limited to windows. (i.e. who cares)
About wine; it is not a windows emulator. *shoots Mo death* It is an extra layer between the application and the system. Layers for the sake of compatibility exist in windows too, in all shapes and colours. If a program runs with wine and how, highly depends on the application and the user configuring everything. In my case it is unreasonable to use windows for anything aside from supreme commander.
- Mel
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lol ok fine. I just looked it up WINE actually stands for: Wine Is Not an Emulator. But if you ask me the semantics just keep getting more blurred. Emulating just means "pretending to be", as a definition of the word. WINE is not Windows, but the software believes it is running on Windows and not Linux, so technically WINE is pretending to be Windows whether it wants to or not. Hence it is emulating Windows. Hey don't shoot me shoot the dictionary.
About wine; it is not a windows emulator. *shoots Mo death* It is an extra layer between the application and the system. Layers for the sake of compatibility exist in windows too, in all shapes and colours. If a program runs with wine and how, highly depends on the application and the user configuring everything. In my case it is unreasonable to use windows for anything aside from supreme commander.
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lol ok fine. I just looked it up WINE actually stands for: Wine Is Not an Emulator. But if you ask me the semantics just keep getting more blurred. Emulating just means "pretending to be", as a definition of the word. WINE is not Windows, but the software believes it is running on Windows and not Linux, so technically WINE is pretending to be Windows whether it wants to or not. Hence it is emulating Windows. Hey don't shoot me shoot the dictionary.
Rather than acting as a full emulator, Wine implements a compatibility layer, providing alternative implementations of the DLLs that Windows programs call, and processes to substitute for the Windows NT kernel.
@Mo
You're talking as if the whole windows operating system isn't anything more than the Application Programming Interface. Calling it "a windows emulator" is therefor an inaccurate description. There are reasons why wine stands for "WINE Is Not an Emulator". Listing it under "emulators" in a distribution tree is reasonable, but for the rpm to have a decent description, it should report "a windows API implementation". You can blame me for nitpicking if you like.
*shoots HellMasterHell death* (no particular reason)
- Mel
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I think If I'd have to agree with somebody, it'd be Mel, simply because I think of an emulator as emulating a WHOLE program/application/whatthefuckever. A whole piece of software, what have you. This thing only seems to essentially "emulate" one small part of the whole. If I sound like I don't know what I am talking about, fuck you I wasn't talking to you. I'm talking to myself. Leave me alone. :lol:
Mel, why did you shoot my death? :lol: