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Title: An RPG by any other name...
Post by: Tyrael on June 10, 2006, 03:33:05 PM
Really since last month ive played to like over 10 free / Open beta mmorpgs and got bored of almost all in a week or less. thanks theres only like 82 days to go, and if its not released by the same time in spain (which will surely happen) im gettin english version >_<
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Post by: Psycho on June 10, 2006, 03:36:35 PM
What kinda Free Online games did you play:P
Yeah I'm really Gona Buy the Englisch version
But i think There's not even a Dutch one(and i've there was i wouldn't buy that one)
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Post by: Tyrael on June 10, 2006, 03:53:02 PM
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What kinda Free Online games did you play:P
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Deceide, Gate to Heavens, SilkRoad Online, Martial arts, Turf Battles, Gunz, Rakion, Flyff(Fly For Fun), The Legend of Ares, Risk Your Life(RYL) part 2, Knights Online, KAL Online, Space Cowboys, Maple Story, and i think thats all :P
oh and the free Anarchy Online Package (the main game with no expansions)
free till june of 2007 i think

I still have Space Cowboys, RYL and Gunz installed
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Post by: Chard! on June 10, 2006, 03:55:42 PM
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Deceide, Gate to Heavens, SilkRoad Online, Martial arts, Turf Battles, Gunz, Rakion, Flyff(Fly For Fun), The Legend of Ares, Risk Your Life(RYL) part 2, Knights Online, KAL Online, Space Cowboys, Maple Story, and i think thats all :P

I still have Space Cowboys, RYL and Gunz installed
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What would be your favorite, and where can i get it? Ye im bored.  :)
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Post by: Psycho on June 10, 2006, 04:10:12 PM
Gunz is that a nice online game???
they said that it was a nice game.
 :mellow:
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Post by: Tyrael on June 10, 2006, 05:02:36 PM
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What would be your favorite, and where can i get it? Ye im bored.  :)
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actually you will find all games i listed just typing the name in google will be 1st or 2nd result surely.

the bests for me now are the ones i still have installed :P
ryl is the most complete free mmorpg i think
RYL Part II (http://www.ryl2.com.my/)
GunZ (http://www.gunzonline.com/)
Space Cowboys (http://sco.gpotato.com)

And yes Gunz in nice, its a kind of fps rpg in third person where you can use either guns, shotguns, rocket launchers... or katanas, dual katanas (kodachis) or daggers.
i dont like guns but i love to fight with katanas
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 10, 2006, 08:06:46 PM
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actually you will find all games i listed just typing the name in google will be 1st or 2nd result surely.

the bests for me now are the ones i still have installed :P
ryl is the most complete free mmorpg i think
RYL Part II (http://www.ryl2.com.my/)
GunZ (http://www.gunzonline.com/)
Space Cowboys (http://sco.gpotato.com)

And yes Gunz in nice, its a kind of fps rpg in third person where you can use either guns, shotguns, rocket launchers... or katanas, dual katanas (kodachis) or daggers.
i dont like guns but i love to fight with katanas
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Eh, I wouldn't consider GunZ an RPG at all..
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Post by: Tyrael on June 10, 2006, 08:58:51 PM
well me either but i said an hibrid, you gain xp, lvl up and buy new stuff(new clothes,guns, swords...)
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 10, 2006, 11:59:07 PM
RPG means ROLE-PLAYING game, buying stuff and leveling up isn't something that belongs only to RPG's. In GunZ, your character doesn't have any role in any particular plot, has no dialogue interaction with npc's, nor any backdrop, or story to follow.. It's not even a hybrid. lol.
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Post by: Tyrael on June 11, 2006, 06:35:07 AM
Right Mr so and so i said i dont consider it an rpg either but i has rpg elements even if u like it or not... -.-'
and adventure games like scape from monkey island, The longest journey, etc
have role in a particular plot, has dialogue interaction with npc's, backdrop, and a story to follow and its not a rpg, silly
and if u check any review of most games that have xp and lvls it wil say it has rpg elements even if you dont like it Mr perfect
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 11, 2006, 11:54:46 AM
Hahahaha, well I thank you for calling me such lovely things. Even out of sarcasm, I laugh. To me, those are elements of games in general, not elements specifically belonging to RPG's, just because RPG's have them. That's like saying an RPG game is a shooting game as well just because one character uses guns in a fight.

Hey hey, this is totally an improper section, but rather than delete our posts, can someone split topic and move our discussion to RR?
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Post by: Throbblefoot on June 11, 2006, 01:39:31 PM
Topic split out from  NWN 2 topic (http://lucidmagic.net:8080/forum/index.php?showtopic=2337)....

-Throbbefoot
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 11, 2006, 06:13:09 PM
w00t thanks.
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 12, 2006, 12:05:25 PM
Seems he doesn't wish to continue it... pity.
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Post by: Psycho on June 12, 2006, 03:59:53 PM
I think so!! ;)
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Post by: Tyrael on June 12, 2006, 05:10:23 PM
yes cos i know you know that i know i have the reason :P
cos its not only your opinion what it counts you know.

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In GunZ, your character doesn't have any role in any particular plot, has no dialogue interaction with npc's, nor any backdrop, or story to follow..
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and adventure games like scape from monkey island, The longest journey, etc
have role in a particular plot, has dialogue interaction with npc's, backdrop, and a story to follow and its not a rpg, silly
and if u check any review of most games that have xp and lvls it wil say it has rpg elements even if you dont like it Mr perfect
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 12, 2006, 11:59:28 PM
Repeating an incorrect point will not help your side of the argument, my response to that was already posted. Try again next time. *click*
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Post by: Soliran on June 13, 2006, 04:50:15 AM
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Repeating an incorrect point will not help your side of the argument, my response to that was already posted. Try again next time. *click*
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Yea Gunz aint a Rpg but it sure is fun when u will learn Bf, ss , hs wich means :

Bf= butterfly with ur katana's
Ss.= Slashshot with ur shotgun/ bazooka or pistol ,  :lol:
Hs= Halfstep with ur katana's

I would recommend this game cause its great fun  ;)
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 13, 2006, 10:00:54 AM
I don't much care for bf, hs, or ss, or k-style at all for that matter. Not only is it a bit awkward, but the style itself wears people down quickly and is physically demanding. I am a hybrid, I definately prefer E-style. Tactics and combat situations, like sniping and knowing what to use when are where I specialize. K-stylers just do the same thing everywhere. I always throw them off guard in small places, they never expect someone like me to whip out his sword in such situations.
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Post by: 420 on June 13, 2006, 01:29:48 PM
From www.gunzonline.com:

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The developers continue to expand the world of GunZ every day. As an action game with a touch of a role playing game, GunZ will continue to introduce more diverse and interesting role-playing elements rather than simply offering more level-up oppotunities for the players.
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Post by: Tyrael on June 13, 2006, 01:57:50 PM
Owned - enough said...
What you gonna say now Hell? :P
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Post by: Psycho on June 13, 2006, 01:59:47 PM
they have proof this time :blink:
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Post by: Tyrael on June 13, 2006, 02:16:29 PM
i already had read that months ago just was lazy to go to the webpage and look for it again, seems 420 wanted to conclude the argue and looked for it  :P
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Post by: Psycho on June 13, 2006, 02:40:25 PM
Hahahaha but your right after all :)
or you just knew they would place it :P  :D
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 13, 2006, 08:35:01 PM
Same thing, seeing as the international version we play, lacks that touch of roleplaying. Why? Because they have not yet fully implemented the RPG part of the game, which happens to be the quest part, so, the GunZ we play, is completely action. The Japanese version has RPG in it, the Maiet team doesn't even have international version trailers for the international version. So... uhh... yeah, I still say the same thing. If you WERE talking about a specific version, then I apologize, because I was specifically talking about the international version. Which still lacks those RPG elements.
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Post by: Tyrael on June 14, 2006, 03:43:23 AM
Stop saying excuses hell :P i was talking about rpg ELEMENTS, not a rpg itself cos even the japanese version its not an rpg either ( has rpg ELEMENTS ) cos i played it, the quests suck, you just get in one of the same duel maps and get surrounded by like 20 green goblins that own you in a few hits and the quest its just kill a determinate number.

I never said it was an rpg, i said it has rpg elements which is whole diferent, your the one that confused yourself saying its not an rpg.

and note that 420's quote is from maiet cos the other page took me a while to find and its in whole japanese (had a guy helping me to dl and register in japanese version) and it says "will continue to introduce MORE rpg ELEMENTS", clear now?
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Post by: Psycho on June 14, 2006, 10:32:06 AM
Hahaha  :lol:  :lol:
finally there done with there discussion :D
So who was right ;)
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 14, 2006, 01:13:44 PM
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Stop saying excuses hell :P i was talking about rpg ELEMENTS, not a rpg itself cos even the japanese version its not an rpg either ( has rpg ELEMENTS ) cos i played it, the quests suck, you just get in one of the same duel maps and get surrounded by like 20 green goblins that own you in a few hits and the quest its just kill a determinate number.

I never said it was an rpg, i said it has rpg elements which is whole diferent, your the one that confused yourself saying its not an rpg.

and note that 420's quote is from maiet cos the other page took me a while to find and its in whole japanese (had a guy helping me to dl and register in japanese version) and it says "will continue to introduce MORE rpg ELEMENTS", clear now?
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No, seeing as I never said that you said it was an RPG. I completely understood that you stated there things from RPG's in it. And as I said, about five times, I disagree.

The current version of GunZ completely lacks the RPG elements. They are there, but not yet implemented. "will continue to produce more rpg elements" Precisely. They will be actually enabling the current ones and adding new ones, I will await that day. I did quest mode too, though it is not something you can normally activate, that IS an RPG element, but it is not yet accessable by normal means, making the game clearly lack that RPG element. And the ones that have not been added yet, are just that, not added.

You make this sound as if it supposed to be an argument, it is not, it is a discussion with two people disagreeing on a subject, please don't treat it as an argument.

No we are not finished yet, nobody is "right" this is a discussion.
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Post by: Psycho on June 14, 2006, 01:18:05 PM
So i see  :)
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Post by: Tyrael on June 14, 2006, 01:27:45 PM
your the only one in the disscusion cos i know im right. and the game page states it.
you just say it doesnt have rpg elements based on YOUR opinion, the game does have them, lvling up, buying things, changing costumes/weapons in inventory are rpg elements even that if in YOUR opinion theyre not.
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 14, 2006, 01:34:24 PM
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your the only one in the disscusion cos i know im right. and the game page states it.
you just say it doesnt have rpg elements based on YOUR opinion, the game does have them, lvling up, buying things, changing costumes/weapons in inventory are rpg elements even that if in YOUR opinion theyre not.
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Those are general game elements, *I* wouldn't consider them RPG only elements. A discussion takes two, you continue to reply, so you are in the discussion as well. But by saying "I know I'm right" proves to me you think of it as an argument. And that is unfortunate. I don't like arguments, so you won't get one out of me, I like discussions, which I have followed throughout this thread, if you want an argument however, speak to Elessar.

Did you notice the *I* up there, could you not see them in many of my previous posts? I have made it obvious enough that it is my opinion, but just because Maiet is a team of people, there's is still an opinion as well. And *I* believe that if they have not put those clear RPG elements into the game, that it is not partially RPG until they do. I am a bit surprised about the opinion thing, I thought you knew that all along.
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Post by: Tyrael on June 14, 2006, 01:37:06 PM
then tell me a game that has lvl ups, shop and inventory and its not considered rpg or with rpg elements in its review or homepage not on your opinion (besides gunz)

oh and add character customization, face and hair models, and classes ( even if all do the same)
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 14, 2006, 01:44:46 PM
Obviously you are completely unaware of what I am *trying* to get at. RPG = Role-Playing Game. What I am getting at is Role-Playing. Uh yeah, where you play a role right?

Like playing the role of the prince of a kingdom and having to route out the evil duke who stole the kingdom and banished you. It is still a role-playing game WITHOUT leveling up, WITHOUT items to be equipped and so forth

In GunZ, what role does the character play? Who are you being? ...? Nobody. In a RPG you don't have to have levels or items for it to be role-playing, so what makes you think if a game DOES have those, that it has has anything to do with a role-playing game? Because having those elements certaintly doesn't make you be playing some sort of role.
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Post by: Tyrael on June 14, 2006, 01:52:16 PM
who said it was an rpg? you are fighting with your own mind, cos i ONLY said rpg elements, and i asked you to say:

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a game that has lvl ups, shop and inventory and its not considered rpg or with rpg elements in its review or homepage not on your opinion (besides gunz)
character customization, face and hair models, and classes

not a dumb comment about what a rpg is cos you cant find any game and by that comment you mean that a game like prince of persia its an rpg game and thats even more dumb
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 14, 2006, 01:55:09 PM
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who said it was an rpg? you are fighting with your own mind, cos i ONLY said rpg elements, and i asked you to say:
not a dumb comment about what a rpg is cos you cant find any game
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Nobody did, I UNDERSTAND that, like I said in the post before that, and noted in posts before that. What I am saying is, for it to have any PIECE of an RPG, by the defination of role-playing it must some sort of role-playing in it. You say RPG ELEMENTS, and I say not RPG elements, just the G elements, as in GAME ELEMENTS.

Do I have to find a game? I am speaking from a definative standpoint. The defination of role-playing.
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Post by: Tyrael on June 14, 2006, 02:00:33 PM
have you ever read any game review? and even with 420's quote your still at it
its only an element like when they say it has matrix elements or in other games they say its an strategy game with rpg elements or a rpg with strategy elements.
stop fighting with your mind go to a psychologist or somethin :P
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 14, 2006, 02:03:54 PM
I've been to a psychologist. And this is not a flame thread, so quit with the personal attacks. Of course, I am waiting for you to disprove my points. Which, even with 420's post, does not disprove what I am trying to note. Maybe leave room for someone else to try, rather than repeating your point, which I already said I understand completely, but is not what I am trying to point out as being incorrect.
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Post by: 420 on June 14, 2006, 02:13:08 PM
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Obviously you are completely unaware of what I am *trying* to get at. RPG = Role-Playing Game. What I am getting at is Role-Playing. Uh yeah, where you play a role right?
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By this definition Super Mario Bros. is a role playing game. You play the role of an Italian-American plumber who enters the land of giant mushrooms through a sewer pipe to rescue Princess Toadstool from an evil turtle/dragon/Gamora thing.

MAMA MIA, that's a spicy meatball!

-420
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Post by: Tyrael on June 14, 2006, 02:14:36 PM
i know whats an rpg game and i know that gunz its not an rpg game, i was just sayin rpg elements and you kept replyin as the whole fact of an rpg and i dont think that sayin that you maybe need to go to a psychologist its a personal attack and i kept replyin the same alike thing cos theres no other way around
and you still havent said the game :P
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Post by: Throbblefoot on June 14, 2006, 02:19:46 PM
Anyone else have the feeling that neither Tyrael nor Hell has any clue what the other is on about?

-Throbblefoot
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Post by: Psycho on June 14, 2006, 02:23:38 PM
Hahahah yes i think they are talking about diffrent subjects :P
 :D
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Post by: Tyrael on June 14, 2006, 02:26:54 PM
i started it so its hell is who doesnt know what im talking about :P and i just said what is hell about, hes just from the first reply talking about the whole fact of an rpg, cos i said gunz has rpg elements  <_<

and im still waiting for him to say a game with lvls, shop, inventory and character customization that its not an rpg or with the "rpg elements" hell seem to hate
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Post by: Psycho on June 14, 2006, 02:37:56 PM
Well we will see what hell will say this time :o  :P
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 14, 2006, 02:42:02 PM
Yes, 420. Precisely. And that's a huge part of my point. But is it labeled an RPG? I didn't think so. Which is what I am getting at.

Throbble, you're half right. I understand what he is trying to say, and I've told him that, and he keeps repeating it. But what I am trying to point out is what is technically an element of role-playing, and what isn't. If it's from a game, then you can say they're all game elements. But they aren't essential to an RPG, and GunZ just has those added game elements, but they are not role-playing game elements as not all RPG's have or need them to be an RPG, they're just game elements used in many RPG's.

You ask me to note a game that has these elements that isn't an RPG, you do realize GunZ is the perfect example right?
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Post by: Tyrael on June 14, 2006, 03:12:45 PM
and i said BESIDES gunz cos already in its webpage says it has rpg elements, and you wont say none cos theres none

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And that's a huge part of my point. But is it labeled an RPG?

and who said gunz is labeled as an rpg?

and the elements are essential to a rpg or either review of the game points that it has rpg elements, thats why im asking you to say a game that has the rpg elements and are not pointed
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 14, 2006, 03:23:28 PM
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and i said BESIDES gunz cos already in its webpage says it has rpg elements, and you wont say none cos theres none
and who said gunz is labeled as an rpg?

and the elements are essential to a rpg or either review of the game points that it has rpg elements, thats why im asking you to say a game that has the rpg elements and are not pointed
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Uhh Tyrael that second part was directed to 420 NOT you, it was about MARIO, not GunZ.

Well this whole subject is revolved around GunZ, you say besides GunZ, but GunZ proves the point exactly. I think you might want to reread stuff mate, you are obviously not getting what I am saying at all.
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Post by: 420 on June 14, 2006, 03:25:19 PM
Let me see if I can get this thread back on topic:
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And yes Gunz in nice, its a kind of fps rpg in third person where you can use either guns, shotguns, rocket launchers... or katanas, dual katanas (kodachis) or daggers.
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Eh, I wouldn't consider GunZ an RPG at all..
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and... GO!

-420
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 14, 2006, 03:28:08 PM
Nice.
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Post by: Chard! on June 14, 2006, 03:35:52 PM
My opinion:

Games that are labeled as RPG's are mostly games in which you play a role in a story and use stuff like: different kind of weapons, level up etc. This "stuff" is called RPG elements. So a game where you DO play a role in a story but you don't encounter any RPG elements is NOT a real RPG in my opinion.

For example: Prince Of Persia is a game in which you play a role in a story but the game lacks RPG elements... So it's not an RPG.

In NWN (The single player campaign.) you play a role in a story and you can level up, shift your alignment etc. This is an RPG.

I hope i made my self clear with my sucky english.  :)
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Post by: Tyrael on June 14, 2006, 03:37:54 PM
i said besides gunz and you just keep evading the question cos theres none,
gunz is already stated as an third person shooter with some rpg elements in the reviews and its homepage not by my opinion.

try find a game with xp and lvl ups that its not stated as either a rpg or with rpg elements, you cant cos theres none
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Post by: Tyrael on June 14, 2006, 03:39:52 PM
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My opinion:

Games that are labeled as RPG's are mostly games in which you play a role in a story and use stuff like: different kind of weapons, level up etc. This "stuff" is called RPG elements. So a game where you DO play a role in a story but you don't encounter any RPG elements is NOT a real RPG in my opinion.

For example: Prince Of Persia is a game in which you play a role in a story but the game lacks RPG elements... So it's not an RPG.

In NWN (The single player campaign.) you play a role in a story and you can level up, shift your alignment etc. This is an RPG.

I hope i made my self clear with my sucky english.  :)
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i know but the point is that i never said that gunz is an rpg but hell keeps replyin as if i were
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Post by: Chard! on June 14, 2006, 03:41:14 PM
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i know but the point is that i never said that gunz is an rpg but hell keeps replyin as if i were
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Yes, this thread is kinda confusing.
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Post by: Tyrael on June 14, 2006, 03:47:36 PM
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Yes, this thread is kinda confusing.
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just cos hell cant understand that games can have other game types elements,
he keeps saying that xp, lvl ups, character customization, and some others are common to all game types  :blink:
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Post by: Throbblefoot on June 14, 2006, 03:52:09 PM
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-Throbblefoot
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 14, 2006, 03:57:18 PM
Actually, I am not replying as if you were saying it was an RPG, you just misunderstand everything I post. Secondly, you actually DID say it was, while adding "kind of" before saying so.

You apparantly don't understand what I am trying to say. And I am kind of tired of reading post after post where you say the same thing, I try explaining it different in every post, but you still don't get what I am talking about, so I give up. Now if someone ELSE would like to discuss it, sure.
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Post by: Tyrael on June 14, 2006, 04:09:47 PM
excuses you just give up cos you know you went completely wrong talking about a different thing and about the "a kind of" its just another excuse and if it actually means that, sry im spanish, but ive been sayin for like all your replies that its NOT a rpg and you kept goin with the same thing saying rpgs have story and dunno what else
so you finally understand is better give up b4 some others come on and start sayin that you dont know whats a freakin game with rpg elements
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 14, 2006, 04:13:42 PM
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excuses you just give up cos you know you went completely wrong talking about a different thing and about the "a kind of" its just another excuse you really know it doesnt mean that and ive been sayin for like all your replies that its NOT a rpg and you kept goin with the same thing saying rpgs have story and dunno what else
so you finally understand is better give up b4 some others come on and start sayin that you dont know whats a freakin game with rpg elements
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Wrong. I gave up because you can't seem to understand what I've been posting.

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saying rpgs have story and dunno what else
Was that a non-purposeful confession to having no idea what I've been trying to tell you, or that you really havent been reading or trying to absorb what I have posted?

No, I openly welcomed anyone who wanted to discuss it with me in my last post. Sorry, nice try.
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Post by: 420 on June 14, 2006, 04:23:00 PM
Let me toss some more wood on the fire while I'm waiting for my hotdogs to cook.

"Strife", which was the first FPS RPG, was created by Rogue Software using the original DOOM engine. It had no leveling, no skills/attributes/feats/stats and your character didn't even have a name. Pretty much the only RPG thing about Strife was the fact that once in a while someone would have a conversation with you instead of just trying to kill you.

If Strife is considered the first FPS RPG then certainly GunZ can also be considered one.

Here is an old (pre Quake III) article on Tim Willits (Link (http://5years.doomworld.com/interviews/timwillits/)) it's the only place I could find Strife even mentioned.

Ah, here is some info on Strife: Wikipedia: Rogue Entertainment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_Entertainment)

-420
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Post by: Tyrael on June 14, 2006, 04:30:34 PM
like if im gonna write all you have posted about a completely different thing, and stop with the just wrong cos you dont even know what else to say, cos you know you were wrong, i did understand you and replied it your the one that doesnt understand what a freaking game with rpg elements is, so you better just up
if u wanna continue the arguing about if gunz has rpg elements (wich it does)
call the maiet guys and argue with them cos its stated in their freaking website!!
  :fool:  :tease:  :tease:  :treaten:  :treaten:  :victory:  :yahoo:

and bout the "dunno what else" its just a way to write, im spanish, i use that to say i dont wanna write all the dumb things you said, wich werent much more than what i wrote.

to 420:

haha nice, i only said rpg elements and now your post totally rip off all hell coments about the whole rpg thingie lol
Title: An RPG by any other name...
Post by: Soul Sojourner on June 14, 2006, 04:33:51 PM
Then I was wrong.

Though the other part of my point was, like where I pointed out with the Mario thing, is the mislabeling of something as "Role-Playing" when it isn't, or not labeling it as, when it clearly is.

But in my opinion however, I would not consider either of them RPG's. To me, for it to be an RPG, as it's name implies, there should be role-playing.

Simple as that, anything left to discuss? Or anything more anyone want to discuss on the subject of RPG's? (I will note that one of my favorites of all time was Super Mario RPG - Legend of the Seven Stars, may seem a bit corny, but it was a fabulous game.)

EDIT: I'll note that this reply was to 420, as he did a good job of making his point. And Tyrael, I'll note that your near-flames and argumentative statements, about being right or wrong is petty and immature. "It's better to do right than be right."
Title: An RPG by any other name...
Post by: Tyrael on June 14, 2006, 05:47:56 PM
aw i have to write my post again lucidmagic went down just when i clicked on the post button >_<

anyways these are my favourite RPGs:

1. Final Fantasy VII, i think everyone knows it :P, has a 9.5 on gamespot but it deserves a 10 ^^!! best story ever.
FFVII (http://www.gamespot.com/ps/rpg/finalfantasy7/index.html?q=final%20fantasy%207)
2. Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross (chrono trigger 2), Chrono Cross has a 10 and it deserves it, has 30 playable characters to join ur team of 3 chars,  final fantasy like with different battle system, with a good story.
Chrono Cross (http://www.gamespot.com/ps/rpg/chronocross/index.html?q=chrono%20cross)
3. Vagrant Story, you play as Ashley Riot a Riskbreaker (kind of medial secret agent) who got hes wife and son murdered. Really nice story too, has a 9.6.
Vagrant Story (http://www.gamespot.com/ps/rpg/vagrantstory/index.html?q=vagrant%20Story)


To Hell:
ohh beware of the mature guy !!!  <_< you were still wrong!! lol, j/k
BTW i played the super mario RPG too it was fun but not played much cos it was on a emulator and i ended playin Crono Trigger, cos my first decent console was the psx, jumped from atari 2600 to psx lol

exactly one like this:

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Title: An RPG by any other name...
Post by: 420 on June 14, 2006, 06:26:32 PM
I think that game types have never really been clear. Weird shit like Action, Adventure, RPG, FPS, RTS are all considered different categories though many games span multiple genres.

For example, Battlezone was both a FPS and RTS but I think it was considered "Action" by most game magazines.

As for FPS games that are real RPGs, they are few and far between.

For one thing, the "S" stands for "shooter" which implies a more modern setting (no I don't consider crossbows or bows to qualify as shooters).

The only thing that comes to mind for me as being both a true FPS and a true RPG would have to be Deus Ex and Deus Ex 2. They had an in-depth storyline where you played a specific person who aquired nanotech upgrades and better weapons as you progressed and multiple endings that determined the fate of the world.

-420