Actually the poeple running GodSpire now made clear that they don't want me to help them at all. If you read the post here (http://bluestarnet.com:1000/forum/index.php?showtopic=1534&view=findpost&p=18897), and you know that I'm removed as dm not long afther that, then it's more than clear. Also, removing me seems me something relevant, but I never saw anything from Mo. Something I dislike a lot.
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Ok if you are asking for an explanation here it is. There were many reasons for that decision. I will only mention the top few:
1) You said you would not be around GodSpire as often as you had been (you were still DM when you said that)
2) I can not communicate with you, I am now making an educated guess that you want an explanation.
3) "neither I like standing on a square, waiting to get randomed. (things I can do in GodSpire right now)" That's a great quote. You just insulted every player on the server.
i remembered when i came at godspire 1 of the first things i noticed was melisa.
Nara probably has the capacibilities of being dm but so has melisa.
anyhow its just a fact. The way i read this and other mentioned writings about mel subject it seems to me melisa does not neccesarily wanna regain dm status but wants a better explanation why she was removed.
The way i read it its just some powerplay, angerment or envy from mo towards melisa. i dont know the reasons and i could be wrong. its just, those reasons u said earlier are not the right reasons to do it.
anyhow , my advice: meet in person (i mean characters or so) and talk this over.
u probably respond with ur no longer on godspire etc.
but i was just giving some advice and made my statement.
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I believe I gave the reasons in plain English. If you no longer want to play on Godspire then you can no longer be DM. Calia (who happens to be one of my closest friends on nwn) was removed recently for this very same reason (lack of playing). If you wanna think i do things for personal reasons or because I am "envious" (which I never am) then all I have to say to that is "please indulge yourself".
I make decisions based on what is best for GodSpire. That's all. There is a reason why Talon trusted me with the mod. So please do not publicly attack my motivations.
I believe I gave the reasons in plain English. If you no longer want to play on Godspire then you can no longer be DM. Calia (who happens to be one of my closest friends on nwn) was removed recently for this very same reason (lack of playing). If you wanna think i do things for personal reasons or because I am "envious" (which I never am) then all I have to say to that is "please indulge yourself".
I make decisions based on what is best for GodSpire. That's all. There is a reason why Talon trusted me with the mod. So please do not publicly attack my motivations.
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wasnt my intention to offend u btw.
just telling my opinion with what i read here. If u say thats none of u concerns i agree totaly mo. But i think if such discussion is posted on lucidmagic it means other people may give their opinion. Otherwise u pm that person.
O, and i was guessing what u were referring to the former posts, u c how wrong people can get when things like that are posted publicly.
last thing before i shut my mouth on nwn general for good.
Those 3 reasons u gave were not good reasons. If those were the real top 3 reasons almost all dms should had been kicked from GodSpire 1 time.
On the other hand, new owner of godspire so new policy.
(my opinion wich means nothing)
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Clear on the matter? You said nothing yet.... I have 100% the same feeling when asking Bug what is wrong on a lvl 17 origenal campain char that he post it as hacker, as when I as you why you removed me as dm. (and why you said me nothing)
In both cases there doesn't comes an answer either, and btw, did you even read what I posted up there? (that @Mort part isn't only for mort, otherwise I pm)
-Mel
Ok if you are asking for an explanation here it is. There were many reasons for that decision. I will only mention the top few:
1) You said you would not be around GodSpire as often as you had been (you were still DM when you said that)
2) I can not communicate with you, I am now making an educated guess that you want an explanation.
3) "neither I like standing on a square, waiting to get randomed. (things I can do in GodSpire right now)" That's a great quote. You just insulted every player on the server.
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Please bring this thread back on topic
Please bring this thread back on topic
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1) I didn't resign in it, I said that I would be less active, and offered to talk about it. You never did but just kicked me out.
2) I'm doing nothing else than trying to get an answer that makes sence, and doing nothing else than trying to talk.
3)Yep, of course you removed me as dm for a post I made way after you removed me. Got something to look in the future?
Then because you didn't post anything that make sence for my removal... I give a try to find why with this post. To mort.Mm, well, I'll just give my point of view like it's now, without filtering things out that can offend poeple.
I don't think that saying it over and over will help. I lost quite a lot on both Lm and GodSpire without hearing1 single word about it. Now, I have what I lost back on Lm afther a pm to Mo with a sketch of the situation. But..
About the dm things,
Well, Mo said me that he can't add me as dm again, I should ask Nem to be sent ect...
Because of that, I think one of the real reazons (not that's a good one, and probalby the only) for the removal is, that some older players didn't like to see me as dm, before they were it. One of those, that also didn't bother to call me things because I was dm, is dm now, for example.
That I'm removed, like something not even worth to talk to, by those that run GodSpire now. Is more something like a small payback, and a few probably have a lot of fun with. I'm also asking myself questions if this is what Mo means with doing the best for GodSpire. Probably it's removing an active dm, that put a load of effort in the communety inluding the forums and things like building and hosting a temporary server for the players.
So, I think there's a serious lack of respect in GodSpire, and I'm very grateful for those reponisble for it. *couch* They should put themself in my place and think how they would "like" this all.
Ow, and if you wonder, I'm trying to push some buttons elsewhere, I wouldn't like to see this in a extinguisher. It's also my good right to say this all.
You're only trying to avoid my answer why you removed me. The only thing I want is that you're honnest and tell what's going on. Or better, in how far that qouted post is true. Is that so hard??
-Mel
The fact that this thread is continuing like this is proving point #2.
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2) I can not communicate with you
Right.... It's funny that you can't answer a simple question from the moment you're talking to Mel.
But fine, as you can't answer, then that post to mort is probably very close to the reality. I wouldn't see any other reazon anyway. Pitty in fact, on most other things you're doing a nice job.
Ow btw, you soon will be able to say low activity was a reazon to remove me. That it's a lie will probably not matter to you.
I no longer wish to talk about it to you.
-Mel
Ow btw, you soon will be able to say low activity was a reazon to remove me. That it's a lie will probably not matter to you.
-Mel
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it came out of your own damned riddled mouth
gah! :blink:
I thought we could work together with LM but it's crystal clear that no collaboration can be possible with you. I've answered your simple question about 5 times.
it came out of your own damned riddled mouth
gah! :blink:
I thought we could work together with LM but it's crystal clear that no collaboration can be possible with you. I've answered your simple question about 5 times.
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I'm also surprized. In my post I said I was going to be less active, and that if you would think of removing me as dm, that this wasn't a problems to me if you gived me some feedback about it.
Then I got removed as dm, while I'm still active, more than others, and you even didn't bother to say 1 single word to me about it. (don't tell I have to log 8 hours evry day to be called active)
In my place, you also would have asked me, what was going on. You say you can't talk to me, but is that my fault if you even don't say you removed me, while I really asked for a bit feedback?
And you really don't see what's weird if you give as a reazon for your actions, something that did happen after it?
If I would have been unactive for weeks, and if I would have found a mail or pm where you said you removed me because of that, then I would have understand you completly. But this is absolutly not the case. And at the same time, I'm still offering you as many help as I can give. I think I've proven before that I can do something, and I only ask to get things back to normal in case this is one big misunderstanding on both sides.
If this really sounds like something of a other planet, then I also think that we can't work together at all.
-Mel
Ow, just want to add. If you want to remove evry right I have on Lm, then you have to remove the 4 in the colum mgroup_others located in the table ibf_members. I don't use the admincp to add that mask, so it doesn't shows there.
-Mel
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Thanks, already been done.
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Ok, it's probably not good news for you. But don't mind about it. To me, it's fine like it's now. I have the answers I needed.
-Mel
Damn... ive just noticed this thread existence and makes me sad. Ill miss u Mel as DM (and i think other will do too).
Godspire has a long history that doesnt belong to us.
Ron.
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I totally agree with Mel .
I miss Mel as a DM like Ron . I miss the old GodSpire DM team ( no offense Mo ) .
I guess I'll be kicked for that , even I don't write it in good english , but removing Mel from the LM team ( I guess, with my limited english , that's what Mo did ) has nothing to do with GodSpire and the fact Mel not being a DM anymore .
New DM Team
Taarna
Mo
Xen
Raven
Tolar
Celeras
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Oi, you missed me. O.O *waves frantically*
No offense, but its annoying me and Im sure others.
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The only opinion I'll add is that the majority of this thread would have been better served by PMs. People find this annoying for various reasons, and most folks could have been spared.
-Throbblefoot
Right...and what did you talk about before this "shit"? The only thing I see is the pointless spammers like Khadgar, Hell, and Zen, at least Zen tends to restrain himself and stay in Random Ranting.
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*Glares at Anheg* Does this look like spam to you??? Nevermind don't answer that...
*Glares at Anheg* Does this look like spam to you??? Nevermind don't answer that...
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Actualy, if you actualy wrote something in response instead of that load of poo, it would not have been spam because you were responding to something I said.
Actualy, if you actualy wrote something in response instead of that load of poo, it would not have been spam because you were responding to something I said.
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I did that on purpose. :P
Kanrei ------ W00T
With as much respect and tradition as I can muster....I hate you Mo!
*cries tears of joy*
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I hate you all :rolleyes:
?
Whas ur beef?
I am not sure how your priorities go, but RL is more important than a game most of the time.
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Anheg, you can't just take a few sentences and put them out of their context and then write a short question or reply to them. You have to read the whole text and most important, you have to understand what I am trying to say.
Of course real life is more important than a game, I never said anything else did I?
For me Mo is a bit hard to understand why he acts like that to mel but well, I don't have to understand everything ;)
It's sad that players like mel are treated like that and others (now I'm thinking of some sents which I won't mention here) who are doing a bad job as sent are not being treated for that.
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I read the whole, thing, just so you know. If you have a problem with a sent or sents. Then post it in the sents forum. There is more than one reason for the removal of Mel. Mo had his reasons, if he doesnt wish to tell you them all, then he doesnt have to. Its as simple as that. :)
I read the whole, thing, just so you know. If you have a problem with a sent or sents. Then post it in the sents forum. There is more than one reason for the removal of Mel. Mo had his reasons, if he doesnt wish to tell you them all, then he doesnt have to. Its as simple as that. :)
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If you would have read the whole text then you would have noticed that I wrote "... but I don't have to understand everything" :) and that would have made your post quite useless!
And if any sent abuses his powers or even randoms then I still won't post it here. It's not my job to do that, it's the job of the owner or host of the module to watch his sents and DMs. I do the same with our module so it can't be so hard :P
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Whatever the reazon, he could have said something to me.
I tought a dm, and person who cares about the communety, deserved better than that. A banned person is told the reazon, but I'm not. Nonetheless that I asked Mo's reaction before he did remove me.
Anyway, I still wonder how it's acceptable to remove a dm without a single word. You know I do, Mercry.
-Mel
hahah ya right do you know a guy named Tolar. He is a great example of the morals I wish I had the balls to follow.
What I like about GodSpire is that it's not some "percieved" totalitarian government on some huge astrological sized "domination of the world" project tour.
We are still talking about a game right? And if we're all just little sprites on a screen why are we so bent on a social hierarchy of how our words/text looks to others? So I suggest we all act as though we could never type our thoughts and exspose it to others; accept it as that.
"go back to sleep my lill sheepe"
"knits a sweater*
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Astronomical not astrological
and we are polygons not sprites :tease:
astrological
sprite
I was going for the abstract meaning
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Ah well then. Still astronomical denotes size, while astrological denotes an abstract ideaology, not really useful in comparing frames of reference of comparible sizes.
And I thought you ment sprites, as in the computer graphic terms of the construction of 2D graphics, where as polygons are used in the construction of 3D graphics. :pardon:
I always thought Mel was cool, he's a good guy, but I know a HeLL of alot better than to ask, question, or try to reason with Mo, about him being gone. Mo has his reasons, and in my opinion, nobody really needs to know them but him. I don't see what your trying to do posting Gwyd, I don't see why you should have any complaints at all about GodSpire. You don't even come here, and when you do, you walk in, start a duel, then run away and leave when you begin to lose. Your members random, and get banned for causing trouble, except for a few.
I guess that's all I gotta say, it was totally pointless bringing this thread back to life, Gwyd. :glare:
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if it was so pointless as you are saying HeLL then why did you post here?! You only showed me that I don't need to talk to you anymore because it's just useless!
And you know nothing about our members! So don't talk about them in such a way! And about randoming HeLL, you ain't doing better! You don't have any right to point your finger at others!
And the fact that so many posted here again shows one thing:
Even after a month there still seems to be things that need to be talked about.
May be the admins of this forum should have closed this thread if anything had been said about this but it doesn't seemed to be.
ok if u have a problem with the sents pm a dm or make a thread in the sents section of the lm. and i dont see why this was brought back after a month :blink:
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you didn't read any of my posts did you?! :P but I don't really care :rolleyes:
any thread which is not closed by an admin can be brought back to life but I assume you know that and it doesn't need your understanding! :D
So if you have any problems with it then don't read or post here and use your time more efficiently on threads that seems to be more important to you ;)
Stop posting. There is no need to close this topic, but I'd rather see this stop already.
EDIT: And I am a "mini" admin, if you wish to call it that. I would close it if I saw it fit to.
~Celestial
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lol proper term would be Global Moderator.
You can see it as synonym of gaming after all.
-Mel
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Why do you say that?