About hiders : I like the 36 cleric 2 monk 2 sd . Really good char .
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try 16 monk (for that 1-20 damage roll),2 sd and the rest cleric.Kickass ;)
Personally I like my hider AA for team battles (inspired by Ryu and is the same build) but anyways:
16 Bard/23 Arcane Archer/1 Shadow Dancer
Has low AC and loses most duels but very effective in team duels if used correctly.
(Note this was inspired by Ryu who told me this build.)
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Only could be effective against noob clans since the strongest clans know than need to have at least 1 or 2 anti-hiders , one tip before going to TvT : think urself what the enemy could think about builds and try to see though the possibilities of various buiilds available , and if u see though the possibilities , anti hider having at least one of them is already a dead to SD. U cant go fight a battle before thinking about the possibilities and consequenties or u are 100% dead!!
Only could be effective against noob clans since the strongest clans know than need to have at least 1 or 2 anti-hiders , one tip before going to TvT : think urself what the enemy could think about builds and try to see though the possibilities of various buiilds available , and if u see though the possibilities , anti hider having at least one of them is already a dead to SD. U cant go fight a battle before thinking about the possibilities and consequenties or u are 100% dead!!
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I don't agree with you here shion . That build can work , especially on aa ( high dex ) . Making it 127 hide easily because of high dex will pwn 127 spot . I tried 127 spot vs 127 hide and I couldn't spot the char all the time ( 1 time for 3 try ) . I was elf too btw . Though the low AC wouldn't be that good on team vs team since 3v1 .
That build wouldnt be made for taking any dmg, the whole point would be sniping with very high damage
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Yeah , and a thought : that build can get over 85 AC in team vs team ( because of cleric spells ) .
About str builds :
1) Bard / ( at least 10 ) rdd / 1 sorc .
High AC thing , taunt + curse song , ab in the 60 - 70 , spot .
2) 28 Cleric / 2 bard / 10 rdd
High AC thing too ( over 90 if built properly ) , taunt , cleric spells , ab over 60 I guess , spot if high int .
About mage build :
Well known but that is a good build anyway
28 sorc 2 sd 10 rdd ( level can have variation ) . A dexer char , hitting with melee , high AC ( 90 ) , ab = 60 , sorc spells . Efficient char ( very efficient ) if built AND played properly .
About some hider ( a really good whore that one :) ):
16 bard 2 sd 22 PM
Ac over 100 , high hide 120 or more , ab in the 60 .
This build litterraly pwn melees but the weak point is casters .
Hmm I'd like to create a monk , what kind of build would be fun guys ? Shion any thought ? ( since you're one of the best monk specialist I know ) .
Yeah , and a thought : that build can get over 85 AC in team vs team ( because of cleric spells ) .
About str builds :
1) Bard / ( at least 10 ) rdd / 1 sorc .
High AC thing , taunt + curse song , ab in the 60 - 70 , spot .
2) 28 Cleric / 2 bard / 10 rdd
High AC thing too ( over 90 if built properly ) , taunt , cleric spells , ab over 60 I guess , spot if high int .
About mage build :
Well known but that is a good build anyway
28 sorc 2 sd 10 rdd ( level can have variation ) . A dexer char , hitting with melee , high AC ( 90 ) , ab = 60 , sorc spells . Efficient char ( very efficient ) if built AND played properly .
About some hider ( a really good whore that one :) ):
16 bard 2 sd 22 PM
Ac over 100 , high hide 120 or more , ab in the 60 .
This build litterraly pwn melees but the weak point is casters .
Hmm I'd like to create a monk , what kind of build would be fun guys ? Shion any thought ? ( since you're one of the best monk specialist I know ) .
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Well relying on 20s i not see fun , just for 5 minutes is fun but after that is boring , well if u want a fun build u could make a monk bard and sd , the ac could get around 100 if im not mistaked and around 54-60 ab. But remeber this build is like bard aa monk than run low of resources cause need pretty balanced stats like dex wisdon cha cons mixed at starting stats which means than u need to know how to balance well to make him perfect at stats. And have a monk pm with 4 wizard lv with rizard spells and 119 conc with 125 listen but remeber when u listen the enemy u can see but will stop atacking which means than u need to keep clicking on oponent when he hide. Listen is diferent from spot , u know what i mean. Or use the hubba monk than have maxed dex , no good listen only hellball + ts then after that is only relying on 20s which is weak since is pretty high ac with pretty low HP, but seriousily that build not have wizard spells like remove blindess to make him good x wof as the before monk i told to u have. After i making hubba build for test , i found numerous disvantagens but is fun anywas if is what u are asking.
have fun :D
not to mention the massive skill points needed.Must have atleast 14 int :(
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True , 14 for human and 16 for the rest of classes.
I don't agree with you here shion . That build can work , especially on aa ( high dex ) . Making it 127 hide easily because of high dex will pwn 127 spot . I tried 127 spot vs 127 hide and I couldn't spot the char all the time ( 1 time for 3 try ) . I was elf too btw . Though the low AC wouldn't be that good on team vs team since 3v1 .
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U tested that against 160 spot ranger? i not believe than hiding will work ......
U tested that against 160 spot ranger? i not believe than hiding will work ......
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Like all the skills , spot is kept at 127 on GodSpire , and I guess ( but I could be wrong ) at nwn .
Btw I don't understand how you could get 160 spot lol :D even with 50 wis , focus on spot , epic focus , vigilance ( the +2 thing ) : let's say 43 ( normal stats ) + 20 ( wisdom modificator ) + 50 ( skill bonus ) + 12 ( focus ) +2 = 137 . But it's blocked at 127 spot like all the other stats on GodSpire . With my cleric , my normal spot would be over 127 , on top of that I am elf .
Ty for the monk ideas B)
What about some deva criters idea guys ? :D
Cleric wm sd build is easy, 31 cleric 7wm and 2sd. Only thing that's a bit low is hp which is over 600 (From what I've seen when we've gone to war there have been ppl with 450, so 600+ shouldn't be a prob...)
And on those spotting builds, seriously go listen, ppl can only fully increase one of the hiding abilities and hide has to be the one. Listen is really good for that, but that's IF the opponent has to move. With all of my hiding chars I never move to hide so no listen on me ;) never seen anyone other then me do that tho, so listen would work.
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I do the same with my hider char that's the best way to use them , since that way you don't need to raise silent walk that much ( very good for a cleric monk sd build , since you need a lot of skills point hence int . ) I agree on the clerid wm sd , it's easy to build. Ab = 60's , go dex if you want to build a char that way , high AC thing ( over 90 if built properly ) . Low hide though if you go spot .
the trick is making a char that can beat all others. You can take melee, but who can't ;) and a simple mage pm won't beat a full mage or a high monk. Full mage is hard cuz the ac is low. A high lvled monk is a char that will fight for 5 mins in a duel and maybe will win, but maybe he'll lose. Where's the winning build :D
I'm all for my mage, especially because I don't go hp mage to beat mages. Make one build that can take all others - that's fucking hard :/
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Atm you can't .... the game is pretty balanced though the best 2 builds for me are : 29 sorc 10 PM 1 monk and 37 monk 2 sd 1 wiz .
Both of them have their own weakness : monk sr , cleric spotter .
You might want to try 27 sorc 12 rdd 2 sd > can beat most of monk sr . But they ain't immune to crit and fear the bow masters :)
Do someone have an idea of a str char non sd, non PM , that can be fun to use ?
I wanted to make some str, but since you only get 81 ac on them it's pretty hard. Ofcourse there are ac multiclasses, but it makes the char that much weaker :/
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Most of str I built had 90 or more ( buffed ) .
If you make a normal str build for example a plain wm. youll get about 81, if you add 10 lvls of RDD you get 85 ac, if you have 16 bard lvls and you sing you have 90 ac.. so...
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Yet, that is 26 levels of something other than WM so the WM ab bonus would only be minimal from only having 14 levels of it, at most. Of course, Everyone loves a 29 something/1sorc/10RDD build :)
If you make a normal str build for example a plain wm. youll get about 81, if you add 10 lvls of RDD you get 85 ac, if you have 16 bard lvls and you sing you have 90 ac.. so...
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What about pally sorc WM ? ( str char of course )
The AC should be there and the ab not that bad with taunt .
And what about 10 pally 1 sorc 29 aa ? The monk AC would be given by divine shield . And ab would be higher than monk sorc aa .
Btw does 16 bard 10 rdd 14 cot work good ?
from my experience divine shield only gave me ac from the base of my cha, which for me was 14/2, even tho I put it up with items. However you lose 8ac from tumble and the wisdom ac so it's a bit....
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No . Divine shielf give you the AC from your midified cha with items . But it only gives +7 . I'll try to build that char .
Btw guys , a lil poll : are bards lame ?
And Delly if you drop here can you tell me what's the monk build you have that do high dmg over 100 ? Monk pally and ?
[And Delly if you drop here can you tell me what's the monk build you have that do high dmg over 100 ? Monk pally and ?
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It's Monk, Palidan, Fighter.. Epic Weapon Spec, and Divine Might + Imp Power Attack. I just have 10 bonus to charisma, and 36 cons. So it ends up with 1050 hp... Only downside is low AC, but that can be countered with IE, and Divine Shield, and only lose a little damage.
What about pally sorc WM ? ( str char of course )
The AC should be there and the ab not that bad with taunt .
And what about 10 pally 1 sorc 29 aa ? The monk AC would be given by divine shield . And ab would be higher than monk sorc aa .
Btw does 16 bard 10 rdd 14 cot work good ?
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The Pally Sorc WM is okay... 74 ab and 90 AC. Dexed based though.. and you get the Sorc level first to avoid spending any skill points on wisdom. Holy Avenger on sword.
I think it's sketchy though to put HA on sword. But that's just me.
It's Monk, Palidan, Fighter.. Epic Weapon Spec, and Divine Might + Imp Power Attack. I just have 10 bonus to charisma, and 36 cons. So it ends up with 1050 hp... Only downside is low AC, but that can be countered with IE, and Divine Shield, and only lose a little damage.
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How much str ? I built one monk pal ranger who had 36 str but I can't get your dmg , I only get around 95 , more when good rolls > around 110 .