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Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on December 27, 2004, 05:57:03 AM
i was thinking to bring some of the clans/ guilds back up and active and to organize a new event in arivs.
The best way to do that is holding a clan tournament. U all wondering , whats that ??
well, each clan and guild that participate with this should choose 1 representive from theyre clan (they do best to take their best player)
then we hold a litle tournament against each other.
How we do that?
Well i was thinking about an innocent hand(me) blindly draws wich clan fight wich, the winner of the battle goes on to the semi half/half/ finals.
well in this stage it only an idea, can u let me know here if u like it or not and if ur clan is willing to participate.

this way i can work things better out qua date , time , rules ,etc...

Current List of Rules:

1.Level 40 clan battle

2.clans are responsible of having 3 players their on the date,if only 2 show up they have to fight with 2 vs 3

3.since its 3vs3 clans dont have to register their champions names, but they do have to register here whether they will participate or not.

4.interference from outside of any kind will make the batle to be replayed. If a clan member interfere in the duel that clan will be dispatched.

5.referring to max idea: people who do wanna join but arent in any group or clan can make a small group of 3 for the tournament. but they have to give it a name and register the name before the deadline.  

REGISTRATION IS OPEN UNTIL 01/01/2005


Registered Clans
[ol type=\'1\'][li]DcD [/li][li]Brujah[/li][li]Doriath[/li][li]Antes[/li][/ol]
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on December 27, 2004, 06:00:42 AM
ow and btw Melissa, should this come through would u mind considering putting a billboard on arivs like they had in the homeworld of the Antedilluvians? Might be handy to post results etc and for in the future other events
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on December 27, 2004, 08:52:20 AM
Well DcD signs maxou up as fighter

plz post u fighter here asap
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Blood Angel on December 27, 2004, 09:14:15 AM
It's ok with something like this, but Doriath is gonna have a hard time picking from 20 ppl and then finding out who's still playing nwn lol
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Tea-cup on December 27, 2004, 09:54:19 AM
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ow and btw Melissa, should this come through would u mind considering putting a billboard on arivs like they had in the homeworld of the Antedilluvians? Might be handy to post results etc and for in the future other events
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mm, I'll be busy next few days (a day or 2-3), afther that I have more time to script things. I have a sort of board where you can post on dled from nwvault, but I somewhat refuse to use someones code if I didn't turned it inside out to see what it all does.

I plan to script arivs well to do wars as it wanted it to be a war server for gs. So poeple would have no lag from other poeple not part of the way.

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Razor Blade on December 27, 2004, 11:49:36 AM
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i was thinking to bring some of the clans/ guilds back up and active and to organize a new event in arivs.
The best way to do that is holding a clan tournament. U all wondering , whats that ??
well, each clan and guild that participate with this should choose 1 representive from theyre clan (they do best to take their best player)
then we hold a litle tournament against each other.
How we do that?
Well i was thinking about an innocent hand(me) blindly draws wich clan fight wich, the winner of the battle goes on to the semi half/half/ finals.
well in this stage it only an idea, can u let me know here if u like it or not and if ur clan is willing to participate.

this way i can work things better out qua date , time , rules ,etc...

Registered Clans/Members

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Of what level should your clan representive be??
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on December 27, 2004, 12:31:27 PM

Of what level should your clan representive be??
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level 40
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Celestial1 on December 27, 2004, 01:39:49 PM
Good idea, Mort, but... it could use a little changes... I mean, clans like Doriath and such might have a hard time choosing the best representative. So, here's what I would change:

2 representatives or more per clan(/guild)

The "Innocent" hand will have a bowl of pieces of paper, on which will be numbers. When we are beginning the layout of the tournament, the players will line up, and the forementioned innocent hand will pick a piece of paper, and the player will be assigned that number. The numbers will be listed 1-10 style, and battle connections will be made (if 4 are participating, #1 will fight #2, #3 will fight #4). Somewhat complicated, but organized.


That should control the confusion...

~Celestial
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on December 27, 2004, 02:06:33 PM
well first all clans must be registered, if they wanna register 2 persons cuz perhaps 1 cant come that date so be it but then they must choose their representative and theyre replacement. this to undo the problem from picking players who are good against certain other players

but once again , first the register part . all clans register here and james will add  them on the rewgister board
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Meclar on December 27, 2004, 05:41:22 PM
It might be best to wait for GS to be up and running again.

Once people hear that it is up again that will create more traffic and activity and help with the tournament and then you can use Arivs for what Melisa has planned for it.

Use the tournament for a trail run on Arivs and make it a CLAN tournament 3v3 or something.  

Having just one person from each clan narrows involvment of players and defeats the purpose of having clans.
Title: clan tournament
Post by: James_2k on December 27, 2004, 06:09:26 PM
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It might be best to wait for GS to be up and running again.

Once people hear that it is up again that will create more traffic and activity and help with the tournament and then you can use Arivs for what Melisa has planned for it.

Use the tournament for a trail run on Arivs and make it a CLAN tournament 3v3 or something. 

Having just one person from each clan narrows involvment of players and defeats the purpose of having clans.
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i like that idea
maybe having a 3v3 at first (before gs is back) would be good - there would be more people later and 3v3 would keep the numbers up :)
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Tea-cup on December 27, 2004, 06:25:42 PM
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It might be best to wait for GS to be up and running again.

Once people hear that it is up again that will create more traffic and activity and help with the tournament and then you can use Arivs for what Melisa has planned for it.

Use the tournament for a trail run on Arivs and make it a CLAN tournament 3v3 or something. 

Having just one person from each clan narrows involvment of players and defeats the purpose of having clans.
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i like that idea
maybe having a 3v3 at first (before gs is back) would be good - there would be more people later and 3v3 would keep the numbers up :)
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There should be a date. I wouldn't take it too close because most clans didn't react  yet. It also helps me if I want to do some basic scripting for it.

And whatever you do , don't go over 5vs5 exept if you're a low frames per second fan or somthing.

(I'm useing a 600x400 resolution on a p166 atm :P)

-Mel

Title: clan tournament
Post by: kristie dian on December 27, 2004, 10:02:23 PM
i tink you should wait until the holiday is over cause somme ppl could have somme *fammilie activitie*....maybe you should wait a little for that and by that time gs should be back.
Title: clan tournament
Post by: scruffy012 on December 28, 2004, 03:01:29 AM
sounds good, but i dunno how vertrue is going to go :P hehe, i agree with mels idea of making arvis a 'war' area but im relatively still a newbie and havent seen GS cuz im 1.65 :(, looking forward to it

scruffy
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Maxou on December 28, 2004, 03:26:38 AM
3v3 would be insane . And clan wars team vs team is always isane :D GOGOGOGO

I agree with meclar about that clan involvement . GO Doriath :D Go DcD :P
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Maxou on December 28, 2004, 04:53:15 AM
Hmm to increase number of people in the tournament AND life on the nwn scene we can do it a 3v3 clan/guild tournament like this : ( sry for my poor english I hope you'll understand )

Every people can join if they are member of a clan . Each clan who wanna participate can make 3 member teams . Number of teams = unlimited : clan can have team A , team B , team C , etc .
If team can't be with 3 member of a clan they can ask to a guild member to participate . That way they will represent their clan AND the guild . Guild can also make 3 member teams ( if they lack of members they can also ask to people in other guild to joint their teams > they will represent 2 guild that way ) .
If there's a clan member with 1 or more guild in a team , that team can represent clan and guild .

As an exemple if Doriath want to make a 3 member guild but they're only 2 > they ask to someone in DcD to join their team . In the tournament they will represent Doriath and DcD . If they win Doriath win and DcD win ( best case ever :D ) .

That might increase clan / guild  members because people need to be in a clan or in a guild to participate to the tournament .
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on December 28, 2004, 05:09:56 AM
well the problem is since gs is down i havent seen many activity from all the clans except lod.
what i mean is it will be vry hard to get 3 players from ur clan ready for the batle.
dcd for example has only 3 players active atm including me.
hmm , perhaps it would be better to wait with the act date until gs is up and running.
that gives each clan more time for preparation.
But to make a 3v3 batle completely honest and to avoid the chaos there is some need of scripting indeed. Minmei and i came up with a good idea for that back when the team pvp server was up.
Each teams start in a different small house/ area/ whatever with the door to the main area locked. There they can get prepared if they wish (buffs etc). When the referree pulls a lever countdown start and after countdown doors get unlocked/ openend.

Hmm mel asked for a date. Well i believe gs wont be up after newyear so date will be at least a week or 2 away. This gives some clans / guilds (i think mainly about ante s, brujah and DcD) time to regroup or even recruit.

Since it now will be a 3vs3 clan batle the prize will be simple i presume: Having the title *Strongest teampvp group of Godspire*

here follows a current list off rules:
1.Level 40 clan batle
2.clans are responsible of having 3 players their on the date,if only 2 show up they have to fight with 2 vs 3
3.since its 3vs3 clans dont have to register their champions names, but they do have to register here wether they will participate or not. REGISTRATION IS OPEN UNTILL 01/01/2005
4.interference from outside of any kind will make the batle to be replayed. If a clan member interfere in the duel that clan will be dispatched.
 :excl: 5.referring to max idea: people who do wanna join but arent in any group or clan can make a small group of 3 for the tournament. but they have to give it a name and register the name before the deadline. :excl:

so far the rules. updates will probably follow during the days
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Razor Blade on December 28, 2004, 05:43:14 AM

Clan: Brujah

Reprsentive: Razor Blade lvl 40 Mage
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Blood Angel on December 28, 2004, 08:04:56 AM
I like this idea very much, count Doriath in. This is the A-team then :P I'll check to c how many ppl we can get to play and then we'll make teams :)
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on December 28, 2004, 08:39:39 AM
good:D
ow and razor u gotta make a team act
team of 3, rules are expressed above
it doesnt even exactly has to be all members of brujah if u have trouble to find them
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Celestial1 on December 28, 2004, 01:16:54 PM
3v3?! Lvl 40 only?! Registration until Jan. 1st?! :rolleyes:

Alright, now seriously...


Why have 3v3? If a member has a problem showing up, such as a family thing/church/school, anything, then one team has a disadvantage, and cannot get a replacement member.

Why, if someone is on DcD's and Doriath's side, do the sides get an extra win?


Now, 3v3 battles are all well and good, but 1v1 is a traditional style of tournaments, and much less hectic. If 1 person can't arrive to a 1v1 battle, the other person must automatically win. In 3v3, you have to decide whether to handicap that team for another members inability to come, or you must reduce the other side to match. And, if you have 2 reps., there would be about 12 others anyway. If someone brings an anti-archer character, then anyone who brings an archer would be at some disadvantage. But, and this is the good thing about that, only a couple members would be archers.


*plays "The more you know" theme.*

~Celestial
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Blood Angel on December 28, 2004, 01:40:49 PM
it's better this way, Doriath can't show up with 10 teams now can they :P
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Tea-cup on December 28, 2004, 01:56:46 PM
Want me to fight in place of a missing member ? :P

j/k

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on December 28, 2004, 02:05:45 PM
well celestial , read my post better:p
its clans/guild/groups responsibility to have their members
1 missing, their fault, they have to fight with 2 vs 3 then
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Tea-cup on December 28, 2004, 04:30:58 PM
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well celestial , read my post better:p
its clans/guild/groups responsibility to have their members
1 missing, their fault, they have to fight with 2 vs 3 then
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Or the other leaving 1 member out to have 2vs2. That's what I saw clans do on counterstike. They are allwoed to continue whit 3 but may drop 1 to stay a bit fair :P

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Blood Angel on December 28, 2004, 04:32:55 PM
that's quite nice of them
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on December 28, 2004, 04:41:23 PM
thats nice yes, and if they wish they can do that
but if they wanna win >p
choice is to them then
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Cobra on December 28, 2004, 04:42:44 PM
What is the date and time of the clan wat so every can come and watch and be in it??????
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Tea-cup on December 28, 2004, 04:55:42 PM
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What is the date and time of the clan wat so every can come and watch and be in it??????
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Read the topic, exact time prolly will come later when there are enough clans in.

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Daniel1975 on December 28, 2004, 05:17:39 PM
I don't think we Anted will join.
Alkti is away for a few days and I didn't saw any other Ante-member since weeks. It's sad but this is the way it is...
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Blood Angel on December 28, 2004, 05:36:29 PM
allie up with some other ppl to get a team shouldn't be a prob :)
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Tea-cup on December 28, 2004, 05:54:11 PM
I don't want to make problems, but dcd stands as clan. I did think it was a guild, and mort was whit the ante's. I might be a bit out of date about the current state of things. Someone light me up?

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: James_2k on December 28, 2004, 06:29:15 PM
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I don't want to make problems, but dcd stands as clan. I did think it was a guild, and mort was whit the ante's. I might be a bit out of date about the current state of things. Someone light me up?

-Mel
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well, mort left the antes, and guilds are also allowed to join the tourney. (according to mort)
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Daniel1975 on December 28, 2004, 06:39:09 PM
I don't think I will get any other Ante members for this event but is there a way I could join another group without leaving Ante?
Title: clan tournament
Post by: James_2k on December 28, 2004, 07:03:44 PM
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I don't think I will get any other Ante members for this event but is there a way I could join another group without leaving Ante?
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most likely, maybe you could fill up Brujahs numbers (if they need it)

p.s.

its James again :P - remember me?  :rolleyes:
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Daniel1975 on December 28, 2004, 07:06:09 PM
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I don't think I will get any other Ante members for this event but is there a way I could join another group without leaving Ante?
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most likely, maybe you could fill up Brujahs numbers (if they need it)

p.s.

its James again :P - remember me?  :rolleyes:
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I always thought Ante is not allied with Brujah so it is not very likely that I will join them in this tournament...it would be like a betreyal  :angry:
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Cobra on December 28, 2004, 07:38:32 PM
K thx Mel :D  :D
Title: clan tournament
Post by: James_2k on December 28, 2004, 08:02:16 PM
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I don't think I will get any other Ante members for this event but is there a way I could join another group without leaving Ante?
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most likely, maybe you could fill up Brujahs numbers (if they need it)

p.s.

its James again :P - remember me?  :rolleyes:
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I always thought Ante is not allied with Brujah so it is not very likely that I will join them in this tournament...it would be like a betreyal  :angry:
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well, find a clan with few active members and ask to make up numbers..
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Tea-cup on December 29, 2004, 12:07:36 AM
I think it's best that I make a small team area for the tournament. Also, someone asked if a bulletin board in arivs was possible.

Are there other idea's of what could be made? Bit of anything is possible but I don't want to make things nobody will use.

Also, if this tournament is going to happen a load of player will want to be on about the time it happens. I only can support about 20 players if I want to ensure a lagless fight. This can be a problem, at gs the amount of player online on clanwars was over 40. (just 2 clans) That's double my capacity. Even with less players the server may be full on the moment of the tournament. The average load is 10/20 now.

Solutions for it are adding a password for the time of the tournament. Or splitting the different battles over different dates. Just booting players that aren't part of it to make room is a bit rude I think.

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Daniel1975 on December 29, 2004, 02:01:25 AM
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I don't think I will get any other Ante members for this event but is there a way I could join another group without leaving Ante?
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p.s.

its James again :P - remember me?  :rolleyes:
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I always thought Ante is not allied with Brujah so it is not very likely that I will join them in this tournament...it would be like a betreyal  :angry:
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well, find a clan with few active members and ask to make up numbers..
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hmmm this will take too much time. So Ante's won't join.  :(
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Maxou on December 29, 2004, 02:13:40 AM
Mort how can you sign up DcD ? We have no team atm or I am not aware of that :P I think it's better to do like I said > Each clan can have a 3 member team but they can ask to people in guild to join them . Otherwise people would be confused by clan/guild disctinction . A guild is not supposed to act like a clan . Or just explain me more/precize the rules > I don't understand .
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on December 29, 2004, 03:34:56 AM
DcD is a guild
all clan guild s are allowed
 :excl: its even allowed to join if u are in no clan, just form a group of 3 players and give it some name but register the name here :excl:
and i think passwaord at that date will be the best sollution, alltough we probably gonna split battle s anyway since doriath comes with 3 teams :P

and maxou, DcD has a team : u,ade, raveth
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Blood Angel on December 29, 2004, 02:45:55 PM
I'm just popping in to ask for hellball. that's not allowed right? Just don't want to build my char with a spell that I won't be using :)
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on December 29, 2004, 04:06:25 PM
hmm no hellball, cuz when u play it right then u got 3 hellballs and if u use them good all 3 oponents will be dead cause of hellball, what about wof? i dont think it may be allowed eitehr for the same reason
ah, and healing spells def not allowed (duh)
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Blood Angel on December 29, 2004, 04:21:42 PM
hmm, now WoF can be taken care of pretty easily hmmm.

also, could you play obstactles around the map? like so that sd isn't a requirement for hiding...
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Tea-cup on December 29, 2004, 04:57:11 PM
If I get the time I can make hellball only kd 1 pc that is the closed to the blast and lowerin the damage if the distance get longer. Wof can be saved against on arivs for a 6 second duration and is easy to get rid of.  Wof dc is the normal dc of a level 7 spell + the clerics level/2. This still can reach 60 dc (spellcraft works on it).

Problems are more sov's and other kinds of area of effect spells. Those can make a heavy fps drop on the players. Just imagen 15 sov's + 15 baldebariers going. And if both teams have 2 cleric, you can get over 20 sov's + 30 bladebariers or more if every cleric use 5 sov's and about 7 baldebariers. 1fps or lower is what you get whatever your system is.

Anyway, this gives me idea's of what I can script :)

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Maxou on December 29, 2004, 05:23:16 PM
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If I get the time I can make hellball only kd 1 pc that is the closed to the blast and lowerin the damage if the distance get longer. Wof can be saved against on arivs for a 6 second duration and is easy to get rid of.  Wof dc is the normal dc of a level 7 spell + the clerics level/2. This still can reach 60 dc (spellcraft works on it).

Problems are more sov's and other kinds of area of effect spells. Those can make a heavy fps drop on the players. Just imagen 15 sov's + 15 baldebariers going. And if both teams have 2 cleric, you can get over 20 sov's + 30 bladebariers or more if every cleric use 5 sov's and about 7 baldebariers. 1fps or lower is what you get whatever your system is.

Anyway, this gives me idea's of what I can script :)

-Mel
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Hmm only 1 hellball for each team would be ok I think . What you need to precize is ( at least for me ) : resurection , hell ball , heal .
Title: clan tournament
Post by: James_2k on December 29, 2004, 05:29:22 PM
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Title: clan tournament
Post by: kristie dian on December 29, 2004, 05:30:17 PM
i really dout that resurect and heal will be alloawed if it would you could resurect or heal your friend like 7 time that would be uber and for the hell ball if mel modifie it i tink it should be fine but i tink it should not be allowade (my opinion)
Title: clan tournament
Post by: James_2k on December 29, 2004, 06:37:18 PM
aye, no resurrect. but heal would need to be coordinated well. and would make the cleric a good target :)
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Blood Angel on December 29, 2004, 06:40:54 PM
dang I was now trying to get some tactics up with new rules such as, no HB, no heal, but I thought I'd be able to work out resurrection within 1 round like in the wars. wouldn't that be ok?
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Tea-cup on December 29, 2004, 06:41:54 PM
I'm scripting on the team area. I don't like half work so it's going to take a while and may not be finished for the tournament. If it's finished it time or not, this tournament isn't bad to get a idea what I should make and take notice from.

In the wars on gs heal wasn't allowed and rez was if it happend before the death person respawned. hellball wasn't allowed either as it would knock everyone of the other team.

In my opinion rez is fine as it does take a few cleric levels. Most builds are hider/ts/mage now. It would help to have some more variance in the builds.

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Blood Angel on December 29, 2004, 07:00:08 PM
also, why oh why did you put a dc on WoF? it hurts so bad that hiders can go around seing us and we can hurt them with a tiny WoF :)
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Blood Angel on December 29, 2004, 07:38:05 PM
Also balagarns iron horn should be changed so that it works properly cuz I know it'll be overly used. If someone casts horn it's a check for if the opponent also has it, if not then opponent falls down, we all know that. However, that's not quite what happens, it's actually 20+1d20 vs spell which is 20+1d20, so a 50% kd chance if the opponent has 20 str, even tho 20 str should  mean immunity to horn.
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Tea-cup on December 29, 2004, 07:40:53 PM
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Hide in tvt can get more then 1 player at the same time flat. I'm not sure how to handle the hiders right now. Basicly they aren't a problem because aa's are as lame when they are whit two attacking 1 opponent. (Get SpoT  <_< ) But aoe spells fired at hiders that move themself between their opponents can be lame.

Other words, should it be party protected or not? Otherwise we're going to invent the teamkilling pvp type I think. Aoe's are like rockets whit a huge blast radius. Not something you want to impact in the middle of your own team. Atm I think it should be party protected.

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Tea-cup on December 29, 2004, 07:42:07 PM
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Also balagarns iron horn should be changed so that it works properly cuz I know it'll be overly used. If someone casts horn it's a check for if the opponent also has it, if not then opponent falls down, we all know that. However, that's not quite what happens, it's actually 20+1d20 vs spell which is 20+1d20, so a 50% kd chance if the opponent has 20 str, even tho 20 str should  mean immunity to horn.
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Same as hellball, should only affect the closest enemy pc player. (I'm scripting right now and can't think normal :P)

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Maxou on December 30, 2004, 02:30:23 AM
Ok then reze is forbidden , heal is forbidden ? On my opinion reze should be forbidden because you can make a 3 member team with reze both having a good build in cleirc . That would be TOO many reze . Heal work the same .
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on December 30, 2004, 04:16:51 AM
it gets me a few ideas, but requires scripting;
1.hellball allowed, but only in a certain radius and in that radius it knocks down everyone except the caster himself, so more tactic is required
2.res cant be allowed, but healing is allowed and i mean single target healing spells but,  healing spells works except on the caster himself. This would make the cleric a valuable unit but he must be protected at all cost
3.same with balagarn horn as with hellball. I mean if u look through it and think about it, when such a batle would be fought , the spell wouldnt know who is enemy and who is friendly , would it?
4.Also when u r building a team pvp area make it that way that if players die they got teleported back to the main hall, this would neutralise res and prevent cheating when allready died

ah well just a few ideas

anyway, i think we have to move the date to a later day cuz i wanna give mellissa the proper time to finish the scripting and with this toppic open and with gs open more teams will register anyway + they will have more time to form the groups
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on December 30, 2004, 06:47:48 AM
another problem
u know moving is around in such a event
but doesnt that put the archers in a big advantage and the melee people in a enormous disadvantage?
Title: clan tournament
Post by: James_2k on December 30, 2004, 07:07:13 AM
ok we had a test 3v3 on arivs, it went fairly well, the archer are good as they can hit the mages from a while away. myself and reveth took down razor quickly (not his fault but two archer = lots of dmg) delly would have gone the same way but i got disconnected :(

anyway, mort has highlighted the probs as it stands.

basically respawning (should stay dead until the match finishes) was the main issue.
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Blood Angel on December 30, 2004, 07:17:01 AM
make a cleric monk, 70% miss chance for missile attacks and deflect arrows, pretty nice. ofcourse if 2 archers are attacking 1 person then you only have one more to fight off two other players, which means while one team has 2v1 the other has the same lol. I don't think two archers would be able to do much against a dual hider team, way easier to take ppl with those sneaks, so you might have to consider that.
Title: clan tournament
Post by: James_2k on December 30, 2004, 07:24:17 AM
well against hiders, the archers should have spot. with someone in the rear with the gear (cleric or somesuch)
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Blood Angel on December 30, 2004, 07:33:37 AM
well AAs have like 115-117 spot, hiders always have 120 or more. Ofcourse a cleric spotter/supporter is always good in the back, but it doesn't help the AAs spot ability.
Title: clan tournament
Post by: James_2k on December 30, 2004, 08:38:50 AM
maybe a bard then, that would boost the skills..
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Tea-cup on December 30, 2004, 08:50:49 AM
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well AAs have like 115-117 spot, hiders always have 120 or more. Ofcourse a cleric spotter/supporter is always good in the back, but it doesn't help the AAs spot ability.
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115-117  + 1d20 = 116-137
Other words, you see them most of the time. Make spot chars elf and you're safe.

Btw '70% miss chance for missile attacks'? How you want to do that? Conseal doesn't stack.

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Blood Angel on December 30, 2004, 08:56:33 AM
imp invis + entropic shield + deflect arrows, and archer can't touch you with that.
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Post by: Tea-cup on December 30, 2004, 09:02:21 AM
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imp invis+ entropic shield = 50% conseal doesn't stack.
It's like eb and imp invis would stack for 100% conseal  <_<

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Blood Angel on December 30, 2004, 09:09:55 AM
entropic shield isn't conceal, it's 20% miss chance from missile attacks
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Post by: Maxou on December 30, 2004, 10:04:31 AM
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I thought that was 25 % damn :P
There will be an overuse on sd monk cleric on that tournament I feel it ... More cleric than mage that's clear .

I thought I posted something about heal and resurrection but I can't see it .
So let's repeat :) >> My opinion is heal and resurrection forbidden . You can easily create an effective team with the 3 member part cleric . That means ton of heal and resurrection . That would kill the game  <_<
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Post by: James_2k on December 30, 2004, 10:21:03 AM
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Meh, there will be dispellers to take care of two of those at least..
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Post by: Tea-cup on December 30, 2004, 10:58:22 AM
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I thought that was 25 % damn :P
There will be an overuse on sd monk cleric on that tournament I feel it ... More cleric than mage that's clear .

I thought I posted something about heal and resurrection but I can't see it .
So let's repeat :) >> My opinion is heal and resurrection forbidden . You can easily create an effective team with the 3 member part cleric . That means ton of heal and resurrection . That would kill the game  <_<
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3 clerics are so death agianst 3 mages or 3 aa's. Don't take aa's too easy in tvt. If they all 3 target 1, then 2 aa's get the opponent flat. Crits and much damage you get then. Even a combo of a 56 str deva critter + a high kd wmmaster and a bard to lower skill and ac on the opponents will finish those sd/monk/clerics in no time.

Just take a 80 ab wm that use kd on a opponent that has -11 ac -to his disipline and saves. If a deva critter whit 51 dc hits that a few times you're almost sure of a instant kill. Even the damage dealt will do it. And when it's kd you will hit and crit a lot.

A pm would be very usefull in that case :P

Anyway, some spells will be limited in use, including rez and sov's. Some in the number of targets it affect, like hellball and horn. Also I won't let hellball work a second time if you were raised. It's really a lot to script in fact, if it want's to be wellmade, and testing it will be a pain.

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Tea-cup on December 30, 2004, 11:15:32 AM
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If 2 aa's whit 85 ab target 1 monk whit 100 ac, 50 conseal and deflect arrows. That monk will be death. Any second opponent that targets you has you flat, the second aa is like a 85 ab hider that would be hidden and hitting all the time.

The team that wins proly will be the one that did work the best together. The skill/build of each player won't matter that much, as long the team is well made.

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Mo on December 30, 2004, 12:51:21 PM
You're not flat footed by a second attacker.  You're flanked...there is a difference
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Post by: Maxou on December 30, 2004, 01:02:16 PM
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Can you tell the difference for us poor stranger who don't understand what flanked means ?
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Post by: Tea-cup on December 30, 2004, 01:18:50 PM
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True, but you are more vurnable. exept the dwarvendefender.

Btw, heared anything of gs Mo? I'm not planning to continue hosting in the weekend if it stays down. I'll have to stop hosting before the holdiays end anyway, and if gs doesn't shows up there isn't a reazon why I should keep this alive.

Hosting is always too much work for me because, I don't have the proper equipment and I don't like half work.

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Blood Angel on December 30, 2004, 02:40:48 PM
flanked means +2 ab for the second attacker.
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Post by: Tea-cup on December 30, 2004, 03:30:12 PM
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Mm, if it's just +2 I may be wrong about the aa's.  :blink:

-Mel
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Post by: Mo on December 30, 2004, 03:57:24 PM
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True, but you are more vurnable. exept the dwarvendefender.

Btw, heared anything of gs Mo? I'm not planning to continue hosting in the weekend if it stays down. I'll have to stop hosting before the holdiays end anyway, and if gs doesn't shows up there isn't a reazon why I should keep this alive.

Hosting is always too much work for me because, I don't have the proper equipment and I don't like half work.

-Mel
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We are sorting out the dedicated server for GS at the moment. Hopefully everything will work out and if so we should have GS back early in the new year.  In the mean time, I could host arvis for you or Sher might be able to host it on the server that hosts LM.  Just until GS gets back.
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Tea-cup on December 30, 2004, 04:34:33 PM
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True, but you are more vurnable. exept the dwarvendefender.

Btw, heared anything of gs Mo? I'm not planning to continue hosting in the weekend if it stays down. I'll have to stop hosting before the holdiays end anyway, and if gs doesn't shows up there isn't a reazon why I should keep this alive.

Hosting is always too much work for me because, I don't have the proper equipment and I don't like half work.

-Mel
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We are sorting out the dedicated server for GS at the moment. Hopefully everything will work out and if so we should have GS back early in the new year.  In the mean time, I could host arvis for you or Sher might be able to host it on the server that hosts LM.  Just until GS gets back.
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Sher had the idea of useing lm for it. But the 5121 port is prolly closed + the ftp doesn't allow .exe files. I'll keep arivs up a bit longer. But things like tvt may not get finished, testing it and so will take too much time. Maybe gs will have that too anyway. Thing that bothers me is that I didn't hear anything of talon for weeks. And I'm getting too much players. If it keeps going up like it goes now the server will be filled up most of the time.

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on December 30, 2004, 07:02:12 PM
well there s no rush for tournament. yes , i know ur not doing tvt only for that but just to let u know...



and another thing: were gonna have to split dates for tourney . to let everything go smooth only 4 teams should be allowed at same time. so its def gonna need to be password pprotected.
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Alkti on December 30, 2004, 07:20:26 PM
Well, forget what Gwyd said  :P, im back and Ante will participate.

Im sure we will find enough players for the Tournament.  :) Im just optimistic.
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Tea-cup on December 31, 2004, 04:33:18 AM
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well there s no rush for tournament. yes , i know ur not doing tvt only for that but just to let u know...



and another thing: were gonna have to split dates for tourney . to let everything go smooth only 4 teams should be allowed at same time. so its def gonna need to be password pprotected.
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If gs is up by the time you plan it you have the whole server only for the tournie. Lagless fights you can do then, if the clients allow it you can do 5 vs 5 or more. But you need some good client machines or almost no cleric/mages then :P Just too keep an acceptable fps.

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Blood Angel on December 31, 2004, 10:17:34 AM
you know if gs is up then there are 2 servers where the tourney could be helld, a lot of matches could be played without lag.
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on December 31, 2004, 02:43:11 PM
too bad u cant get a link between 2 servers
so the people who must wait could wait in gs and could be summoned to arivs when needed :P
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Post by: Tea-cup on December 31, 2004, 02:52:32 PM
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too bad u cant get a link between 2 servers
so the people who must wait could wait in gs and could be summoned to arivs when needed :P
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Actualy that can and I did talk to talon month's ago about something like it. Back then I wanted to let them join the gs server and then porting them to arivs for the war. That way I wouldn't have to write a filter. But now I have one anyway.

A dm can just create a server portal in gs now that there's a filter on arivs. I'll prolly add a permanent serverportal in arivs to gs when it's up again.

But well, we'll see abiut that when gs is back.

-Mel
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Post by: Tea-cup on December 31, 2004, 02:54:06 PM
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Well that's the idea of arivs. The whole server just for your war, so you won't have lag.

Only the clients will limit you and I can't go over 10 vs 10 :P

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on January 01, 2005, 07:21:05 AM
hmmm in about a week i shall open a new toppic where u only have to put the name of the group that will participate. notting more. that toppic will stay open for a week and then the saturday that follows tournament will begin. Exact time will follow then.
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Post by: Razor Blade on January 05, 2005, 08:48:31 AM
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ehm wich week mort?? when you gonna start the topic??
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on January 05, 2005, 01:13:33 PM
well when mel has made the advancements in the tvt. dont wanto stress her so cant give u a date yet
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Post by: Tea-cup on January 05, 2005, 01:18:27 PM
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If the scripts aren't ready in time (I'm not scripting for nwn now I'm fixing the server), it still can be done if dm's make sure it runs fine. It's ok if you give a date, I don't have stress at all :P

Want to add that I have a other server configured if needed, but it's also my client machine so in case you need a dm someone else will have to do it.

-Mel
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on January 05, 2005, 01:51:27 PM
problem is without scripts its a mess. people will have to listen and they dont, even if they wanto listen they dont. So its better to get it done in an organised area even if that take weeks to be finished. nwn isnt going to run anyway so
Title: clan tournament
Post by: James_2k on January 05, 2005, 02:15:07 PM
do you mean "NW isnt going to run away?" :P

but i dont agree, i think that it would be fine without scripts - if people dont listen, they get disqualified or somesuch.

im sure it could be coordinated fine..
Title: clan tournament
Post by: Morticia on January 05, 2005, 02:31:07 PM
well let me sleep a day over it:p
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Post by: Tea-cup on January 05, 2005, 04:40:58 PM
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Just don't bother about the scripts, that will be ok.

-Mel
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Post by: Morticia on January 06, 2005, 12:13:37 PM
k, registration toppic is openend under arivs.
register only the name of the group ur under here , no spam or anything else
question s can be here