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NWN 2 General / A List of Things that Piss me off in NWN2
« on: November 06, 2006, 11:12:12 PM »
Added four new ones. Thank you lame updates. (Added 19-22)
1. No area to see how Item Properties affect the cost or level of the item. (Iâ??ve spent the last seven hours of my life in an attempt to custom create level 20 items for this PvP server Iâ??m playing onâ?¦ can I do it without getting Item Restrictions in my face? Nope, because I have no guidelines to go by at all. I even tried molding some items off old NWN1 level 20 itemsâ?¦ no go. Seems the new toolset deems some Item properties more powerful now or something? What happened to using the core of the old NWN1 and just IMPROVING it? Instead Obsidian covered it with a pile of black something that isnâ??t the rock obsidian.)
2. Ability Enhancements do not stack through items. Only one item works for each ability enhancement. (Ya, because you know that a +12 stat item thatâ??s under level 20 is possible. Yay for buffsâ?¦)
3. Toolset that just makes every more difficult to do. (Yaâ?¦ pile of black stuff now that took me half a day to mog through all the extrenuous details. What happened to Obsidian saying that it was going to be even more user friendly then the old one? If I wasnâ??t sane Iâ??d probably agree that it is. Now that I think of itâ?¦ most of the complicated things you have to do now in the Toolset you could just do with a right clickâ?¦ and even in-game stuff they made right click even harder to doâ?¦ and more time consumingâ?¦ *looks around shiftily* It almost seems as if Obsidian is trying to do away with the EASY right-click options >.>.
4. The quickslot bar multiplies adjacent skills. Ex: If you had Whirlwind and IKD next to each other and savedâ?¦ when you reloaded char it would be two Whirlwinds instead. Personal note, I love having to rearrange my skills every single time I log on.
5. You canâ??t skip skill selection during level-up if your max number of skill points is equal to 6 or higher. Personal note, say goodbye to skill hording for all you PvPers. Why they added this boundary I have no ideaâ?¦ now you canâ??t just horde skill points for a single level of monk you take at level 19 to get that max tumble anymoreâ?¦ *snaps fingers* Oh and +1 AC for every 10 tumble nowâ?¦ *shakes head*
6. Small text errors and questions mainly focusing around the Warlock class. Known as a â??casterâ? and not a â??spellcasterâ? but some feats that say â??spellcasterâ? apply and others that use the term â??casterâ? do not. Also you cannot take Metamagic feats with Warlock even though the NWN2Wiki clearly says that you would be able to (Metamagic requirements is to be able to cast a certain level of spells. Warlocks qualify due to the certain level achievements that create the same effect (Ex: They taunt you with Spell Focus, that does not work with Eldritch Blast, [Req. Ability to Cast Level 1 Spells] but no Metamagic, which is suppose to work with Warlock Blast?...
7. The removal of discipline so now that it rolls vs. strength and dex differences etc. What the hell were they smoking? Itâ??s like the Old Level 2 Horn Spell Gone Wild. I hate that DVDâ?¦ KD spam on the casters, shall we?!
8. The need of a pwc file for the module you want to play on the internet. Why they couldnâ??t do it the old wayâ?¦ who knows currently. I guess the old fashion way were we had to do less workâ?¦ was just less work for us and not for them. Love their customer satisfaction score so far.
9. The lack of expected faces and hair styles. The hair styles are repetitive throughout the races and donâ??t even look that great. I know Iâ??m being picky, but I liked I liked a lot of the old ones more in comparison by far. Same goes with faces. And wtf is with those Halflingsâ?¦ and half the characters look kind of creepy if you dive in to closeâ?¦ those male gnomes with hand axesâ?¦ *shudders*
10. The lack of player listing and broken hotkeys. No more can we join a server and see whoâ??s in it without having to actually go into it. And while weâ??re in itâ?¦ I noticed a lack of a hotkey to open the Player List window for example. I checked the options and under Game Keysâ?¦ sure enough â??Pâ? is suppose to do itâ?¦ but does a simple hotkey like that work? NOPE.
11. Oh and the need for me to reinstall of my video card drivers and fix my .NET before I could even start the game up without it crashing was annoyingâ?¦ oh and even if I donâ??t have a GeForceâ?¦ all those damn video and crashing problems those poor guys are going throughâ?¦ and I thought the last game was pretty unstable graphics-wise *sighs*
12. Back to the toolset. The inability to customize weapons as much as even in the last gameâ?¦ the armor selection and pieces are lacking in huge range and half of them donâ??t even look good (I know.. picky) and the new color tinting stuff is okâ?¦ but takes awhile to do and doesnâ??t have such a huge effect as you want sometimes on the itemâ?¦also you canâ??t even see the icons youâ??re giving to your items anymore. Nope. They canâ??t supply a little icon or preview box like they do in the Wc3 editorâ?¦ and that game came out like whatâ?¦ 5 years ago? Oh and while weâ??re talking about previewingâ?¦ previewing all these new armor stuff is jerky and laggy and I canâ??t even imagine what itâ??s like on lesser computers than my own. Oh and you canâ??t even see the models you want to use when creating new placeables and shit. Waitâ?¦ you donâ??t really need to know what they look like. Because the random computer jargon labeling makes complete and utter sense. Yepâ?¦ that tis_sucs009 is defiantly a model for the NWN 2 Game Disc.
13. The lack of playable emotes and the ridiculous need to hold down right clickâ?¦ wtf is with that? Letâ??s waste more time to hold down right click in places just to do something where in the last game we could just click click and be there. Oh and thereâ??s like, what, 8 emotes now? Last game had 3 times more.
14. The random action queue bugs that strike. The party/action queue cleaning from the last NWN was worse enoughâ?¦ but now Iâ??ve witnessed changing of targets and just random action queue crack-induced moments where it spits out random commands and/or cancels previous commands. Also you canâ??t ignore melee attacks happening around you. If youâ??re attacked melee-wise and you werenâ??t currently doing a spell or such with a caster classâ?¦ say good bye to that round because youâ??re retaliating with your happy 5 AB. Oh and you canâ??t even back away from that and just stand there and let them attack youâ?¦ you still auto-attack.
15. Oh and Iâ??m pretty sure the AB additions and such for classes are not working properly. I built a Weapon Master build that seemed sorely lacking in AB compared to what I expected out of a build with around 28 strength and 7 WM levels.
16. The new side-shuffling movement keys. You turn your body and move in that directionâ?¦ and then when you stop you face back front then jerk to the direction you were just moving inâ?¦ your character should lay off the crack and make up his mind in which direction heâ??s going.
17. The level adjustments for some races are just wack. Now Iâ??m all favor for balancing out some of the overbalanced stuff coming out of the stronger races such as the Drow. But +2 level adjustment? I mean come onâ?¦ Iâ??d rather be a level 20 human with -2 dex -2 char -2 +2 con. And be level 20 instead of being a level 15 Drow with a single bonus modifier in dex, char, and intell. Because that single point REALLY matters. Bah who am I kidding anyways? I never actually legitly level up. PvP ftw.
18. Oh and the new text system. I like the floating textâ?¦ itâ??s not badâ?¦ but shouldnâ??t it float around longer for longer messages? Small rant but come onâ?¦ itâ??s all about the small things. Oh and blurbâ?¦ why the hell is a Falchion two-handed?! Letâ??s add a sword thatâ??s not that big but takes two hands to wield! So you can have an 18-20 crit range two-hand weaponâ?¦ with only 2d4 damage. Waitâ?¦ 2d4â?¦?! Why not just use a single hander. Because two-handers look cool! Yaâ?¦ the goblin with the spear that enters a region where a shield could have been agrees with that assumption too.
19. The incomplete updating. Ok... no offense to you Obsidian developers... but who updates only a section of the game with an official patch? So now all of the poor Online players are left outside their warm Inn... shaking our cups that rattle with copper only, begging to be let back inside our OWN modules. *shakes his head* Reminds me of some kind of barony that just evicted us out of our homes just because they thought it would be "better" for us. Nice, I like their definition of better. Rofl, their definition of better... that's kind of flawed throughout the entire game, isn't it?
20. Oh and here's another small one for you. If you go to join a new module or something... you're able to log in and all and you're like yay! But if for some reason the pwc you HAD to DL isn't the right one or something, then it kicks you out saying no module. And you know what bugs me about this besides having to DL a pwc file? Your damn mouse is stuck to that time cursor until you restart the entire applications... you can force your game into another circumstance where the timer comes up... but does it "dispel" it? No. It keeps it there and basically forces you to restart. All because of those pwc files. Yay! */endsarcasm*
21. The lack of custom support as a whole. The most they have are forums that probably half the posts/topics the Dev's don't even truly get around to reading. Most of them, maybe. All? No way. So now we're left trying to scream above the masses on a forum that takes days for them to even see it anyways. Anyone else grumbling about the crappy updates and bugs that NWN2 is just riddled with? Well keep grumbling! Because you have no real way to complain. Oh and also, if say you wanted to revert back to an older version of the game because of a HUGE mistake made by the last patch that completely and effectively shut down your ability to enter any on-line games because you don't give a damn about the campaign... well you're out of luck. They don't even have revert patches to download let alone a single regular patch. This is just rediculous. How hard is it to upload a patch onto your support website? Until then, all the people who have buggy patcher programs (once again because of their shitty non-truly-beta tested game) will be left out in the cold for all their "marvelous" patches. Love Obsidian *heart*.
22. Another small rant one. Had to add it in though because it's becoming increasingly more annoying as time goes along. Okay. So all you PvPers out there... how many characters do you make on a regular basis usually? The answer is a lot. We make a shitload of characters. So, another question for you PvPers. How many different names do you use for you character? Usually one? That's odd... why? Because that's who you are and you're not on some damn RP server or in the damn campaign. (I'm getting to my point). So back in the old days we use to have huge archives of characters and this was all good... because we had numbers depicting the character file number by their names. These still exist of course, but did Obsidian feel as if they needed to KEEP the useful number tags? No. They did not. Now if you make a character with the same name... it gets lost among the other characters. Of course, you could use deductive logic to search for your character... but I shudder to think about a year of playing this game and how many character's I'll have. Deductive logic... good luck.
Oh just to sum up all this flaming and ranting. I ask just one question. How the hell did Obsidian manage to take all the flaws in NWN1, amplify them, put them back in NWN2 then give birth to even more annoyances that just irk at a playerâ??s soul? They couldnâ??t even keep some of the original settings and the way things USE to be. You know when someone says people donâ??t like change? Damn right they donâ??t.
P.S. - First post in like... a year and when I originally wrote it... it started out as a peaceful write down of bugs I've currently found. Seems like I got out of hand with it. Oh well.
P.S.S. - Sorry for any language also. I wrote this when my judgement was impaired. And I also didn't mean to offend anyone. Been awhile since I've posted on any forums and I don't want anyone to get mad at me. Yet.
Kidding.
1. No area to see how Item Properties affect the cost or level of the item. (Iâ??ve spent the last seven hours of my life in an attempt to custom create level 20 items for this PvP server Iâ??m playing onâ?¦ can I do it without getting Item Restrictions in my face? Nope, because I have no guidelines to go by at all. I even tried molding some items off old NWN1 level 20 itemsâ?¦ no go. Seems the new toolset deems some Item properties more powerful now or something? What happened to using the core of the old NWN1 and just IMPROVING it? Instead Obsidian covered it with a pile of black something that isnâ??t the rock obsidian.)
2. Ability Enhancements do not stack through items. Only one item works for each ability enhancement. (Ya, because you know that a +12 stat item thatâ??s under level 20 is possible. Yay for buffsâ?¦)
3. Toolset that just makes every more difficult to do. (Yaâ?¦ pile of black stuff now that took me half a day to mog through all the extrenuous details. What happened to Obsidian saying that it was going to be even more user friendly then the old one? If I wasnâ??t sane Iâ??d probably agree that it is. Now that I think of itâ?¦ most of the complicated things you have to do now in the Toolset you could just do with a right clickâ?¦ and even in-game stuff they made right click even harder to doâ?¦ and more time consumingâ?¦ *looks around shiftily* It almost seems as if Obsidian is trying to do away with the EASY right-click options >.>.
4. The quickslot bar multiplies adjacent skills. Ex: If you had Whirlwind and IKD next to each other and savedâ?¦ when you reloaded char it would be two Whirlwinds instead. Personal note, I love having to rearrange my skills every single time I log on.
5. You canâ??t skip skill selection during level-up if your max number of skill points is equal to 6 or higher. Personal note, say goodbye to skill hording for all you PvPers. Why they added this boundary I have no ideaâ?¦ now you canâ??t just horde skill points for a single level of monk you take at level 19 to get that max tumble anymoreâ?¦ *snaps fingers* Oh and +1 AC for every 10 tumble nowâ?¦ *shakes head*
6. Small text errors and questions mainly focusing around the Warlock class. Known as a â??casterâ? and not a â??spellcasterâ? but some feats that say â??spellcasterâ? apply and others that use the term â??casterâ? do not. Also you cannot take Metamagic feats with Warlock even though the NWN2Wiki clearly says that you would be able to (Metamagic requirements is to be able to cast a certain level of spells. Warlocks qualify due to the certain level achievements that create the same effect (Ex: They taunt you with Spell Focus, that does not work with Eldritch Blast, [Req. Ability to Cast Level 1 Spells] but no Metamagic, which is suppose to work with Warlock Blast?...
7. The removal of discipline so now that it rolls vs. strength and dex differences etc. What the hell were they smoking? Itâ??s like the Old Level 2 Horn Spell Gone Wild. I hate that DVDâ?¦ KD spam on the casters, shall we?!
8. The need of a pwc file for the module you want to play on the internet. Why they couldnâ??t do it the old wayâ?¦ who knows currently. I guess the old fashion way were we had to do less workâ?¦ was just less work for us and not for them. Love their customer satisfaction score so far.
9. The lack of expected faces and hair styles. The hair styles are repetitive throughout the races and donâ??t even look that great. I know Iâ??m being picky, but I liked I liked a lot of the old ones more in comparison by far. Same goes with faces. And wtf is with those Halflingsâ?¦ and half the characters look kind of creepy if you dive in to closeâ?¦ those male gnomes with hand axesâ?¦ *shudders*
10. The lack of player listing and broken hotkeys. No more can we join a server and see whoâ??s in it without having to actually go into it. And while weâ??re in itâ?¦ I noticed a lack of a hotkey to open the Player List window for example. I checked the options and under Game Keysâ?¦ sure enough â??Pâ? is suppose to do itâ?¦ but does a simple hotkey like that work? NOPE.
11. Oh and the need for me to reinstall of my video card drivers and fix my .NET before I could even start the game up without it crashing was annoyingâ?¦ oh and even if I donâ??t have a GeForceâ?¦ all those damn video and crashing problems those poor guys are going throughâ?¦ and I thought the last game was pretty unstable graphics-wise *sighs*
12. Back to the toolset. The inability to customize weapons as much as even in the last gameâ?¦ the armor selection and pieces are lacking in huge range and half of them donâ??t even look good (I know.. picky) and the new color tinting stuff is okâ?¦ but takes awhile to do and doesnâ??t have such a huge effect as you want sometimes on the itemâ?¦also you canâ??t even see the icons youâ??re giving to your items anymore. Nope. They canâ??t supply a little icon or preview box like they do in the Wc3 editorâ?¦ and that game came out like whatâ?¦ 5 years ago? Oh and while weâ??re talking about previewingâ?¦ previewing all these new armor stuff is jerky and laggy and I canâ??t even imagine what itâ??s like on lesser computers than my own. Oh and you canâ??t even see the models you want to use when creating new placeables and shit. Waitâ?¦ you donâ??t really need to know what they look like. Because the random computer jargon labeling makes complete and utter sense. Yepâ?¦ that tis_sucs009 is defiantly a model for the NWN 2 Game Disc.
13. The lack of playable emotes and the ridiculous need to hold down right clickâ?¦ wtf is with that? Letâ??s waste more time to hold down right click in places just to do something where in the last game we could just click click and be there. Oh and thereâ??s like, what, 8 emotes now? Last game had 3 times more.
14. The random action queue bugs that strike. The party/action queue cleaning from the last NWN was worse enoughâ?¦ but now Iâ??ve witnessed changing of targets and just random action queue crack-induced moments where it spits out random commands and/or cancels previous commands. Also you canâ??t ignore melee attacks happening around you. If youâ??re attacked melee-wise and you werenâ??t currently doing a spell or such with a caster classâ?¦ say good bye to that round because youâ??re retaliating with your happy 5 AB. Oh and you canâ??t even back away from that and just stand there and let them attack youâ?¦ you still auto-attack.
15. Oh and Iâ??m pretty sure the AB additions and such for classes are not working properly. I built a Weapon Master build that seemed sorely lacking in AB compared to what I expected out of a build with around 28 strength and 7 WM levels.
16. The new side-shuffling movement keys. You turn your body and move in that directionâ?¦ and then when you stop you face back front then jerk to the direction you were just moving inâ?¦ your character should lay off the crack and make up his mind in which direction heâ??s going.
17. The level adjustments for some races are just wack. Now Iâ??m all favor for balancing out some of the overbalanced stuff coming out of the stronger races such as the Drow. But +2 level adjustment? I mean come onâ?¦ Iâ??d rather be a level 20 human with -2 dex -2 char -2 +2 con. And be level 20 instead of being a level 15 Drow with a single bonus modifier in dex, char, and intell. Because that single point REALLY matters. Bah who am I kidding anyways? I never actually legitly level up. PvP ftw.
18. Oh and the new text system. I like the floating textâ?¦ itâ??s not badâ?¦ but shouldnâ??t it float around longer for longer messages? Small rant but come onâ?¦ itâ??s all about the small things. Oh and blurbâ?¦ why the hell is a Falchion two-handed?! Letâ??s add a sword thatâ??s not that big but takes two hands to wield! So you can have an 18-20 crit range two-hand weaponâ?¦ with only 2d4 damage. Waitâ?¦ 2d4â?¦?! Why not just use a single hander. Because two-handers look cool! Yaâ?¦ the goblin with the spear that enters a region where a shield could have been agrees with that assumption too.
19. The incomplete updating. Ok... no offense to you Obsidian developers... but who updates only a section of the game with an official patch? So now all of the poor Online players are left outside their warm Inn... shaking our cups that rattle with copper only, begging to be let back inside our OWN modules. *shakes his head* Reminds me of some kind of barony that just evicted us out of our homes just because they thought it would be "better" for us. Nice, I like their definition of better. Rofl, their definition of better... that's kind of flawed throughout the entire game, isn't it?
20. Oh and here's another small one for you. If you go to join a new module or something... you're able to log in and all and you're like yay! But if for some reason the pwc you HAD to DL isn't the right one or something, then it kicks you out saying no module. And you know what bugs me about this besides having to DL a pwc file? Your damn mouse is stuck to that time cursor until you restart the entire applications... you can force your game into another circumstance where the timer comes up... but does it "dispel" it? No. It keeps it there and basically forces you to restart. All because of those pwc files. Yay! */endsarcasm*
21. The lack of custom support as a whole. The most they have are forums that probably half the posts/topics the Dev's don't even truly get around to reading. Most of them, maybe. All? No way. So now we're left trying to scream above the masses on a forum that takes days for them to even see it anyways. Anyone else grumbling about the crappy updates and bugs that NWN2 is just riddled with? Well keep grumbling! Because you have no real way to complain. Oh and also, if say you wanted to revert back to an older version of the game because of a HUGE mistake made by the last patch that completely and effectively shut down your ability to enter any on-line games because you don't give a damn about the campaign... well you're out of luck. They don't even have revert patches to download let alone a single regular patch. This is just rediculous. How hard is it to upload a patch onto your support website? Until then, all the people who have buggy patcher programs (once again because of their shitty non-truly-beta tested game) will be left out in the cold for all their "marvelous" patches. Love Obsidian *heart*.
22. Another small rant one. Had to add it in though because it's becoming increasingly more annoying as time goes along. Okay. So all you PvPers out there... how many characters do you make on a regular basis usually? The answer is a lot. We make a shitload of characters. So, another question for you PvPers. How many different names do you use for you character? Usually one? That's odd... why? Because that's who you are and you're not on some damn RP server or in the damn campaign. (I'm getting to my point). So back in the old days we use to have huge archives of characters and this was all good... because we had numbers depicting the character file number by their names. These still exist of course, but did Obsidian feel as if they needed to KEEP the useful number tags? No. They did not. Now if you make a character with the same name... it gets lost among the other characters. Of course, you could use deductive logic to search for your character... but I shudder to think about a year of playing this game and how many character's I'll have. Deductive logic... good luck.
Oh just to sum up all this flaming and ranting. I ask just one question. How the hell did Obsidian manage to take all the flaws in NWN1, amplify them, put them back in NWN2 then give birth to even more annoyances that just irk at a playerâ??s soul? They couldnâ??t even keep some of the original settings and the way things USE to be. You know when someone says people donâ??t like change? Damn right they donâ??t.
P.S. - First post in like... a year and when I originally wrote it... it started out as a peaceful write down of bugs I've currently found. Seems like I got out of hand with it. Oh well.
P.S.S. - Sorry for any language also. I wrote this when my judgement was impaired. And I also didn't mean to offend anyone. Been awhile since I've posted on any forums and I don't want anyone to get mad at me. Yet.
Kidding.
