Il Start. I have a 38 sorc 1 monk 1 pally. You can fit alot of mantle on that build. :blink:
-Viper
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You mean mage vs mage ? Bleh ... 38 sorc sucks vs fighter ( low hp , etc ) .
Try something like 35wiz/3pally/2monk... deflect arrows + saving throw bonuses... :D
~Celestial
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Sorry, Celest had a chip missing when he posted that. What he meant to say was 35 sorc/3 pally/2 monk :P
My brain was missing. :P
Anyway, yeah. What he said.
~Celestial
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A bit difficult to get good AC with that because you won't get any shield . But that can work vs archer ( difficult to build though ) .
Mages usually use shields for ac, which means you can't use deflect arrows.
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Agree. To use deflect arrows and still having good ac you need enough wisdom. It's way cheaper to get stilled spells and useing heavy armor/shield and spare statpoints for constitution so you can get high hp/concentrate. Things a mage needs.
-Mel
Mage/hider is about the worse to duel. 90ac/700-800hp/30+str/50+ab/80+spellmantles/26caster/uncanny/120+concentrate/combatcasting/epicspells
If used right, there isn't much that beats it. Thing that do beat it is a ranged 50+sr monk with 80ac, with uncanny or 110+spot.
This isn't exact a good build to do mage duels with either, it wins but hiding to avoid spells isn't something common for mage duels. You always can melee a pure mage vs mage with 50 ab, deals 80+ damage anyway. But I don't think you'll get much mages duels if you do that :P
If you want to make a living fortress you best make a 88+ac sr monk/2sd/1wiz with 120hide or so, can resist spells, has high ac/dam, and can use hips too. Bit more wizard allows dispels as extra, pretty good against buffers.
Those builds are about the strongest, but "best", I don't think that does exist in nwn, just like there isn't a "best" player.
-Mel
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Yeah mage hider are really strong . About that dispell thing it's pretty usefull vs WM when no PM . In a build like mage hider some ward would be usefull instead of the common hell ball .
mage hider are strongue but seriusly.........do you really tink there funny there is no fun about alwais hiding in a mage duel for my opinion its just bored i already dueled mel when she ad a build like that that duel ws boring
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It's, you lose the duel before you started. Well that's boring yes.
Best duels are still againts poeple with a build that can make a close fight to you.
-Mel
well mage hiders don't really work now do they? I mean since you can't cast and hide within one round.
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Well, you mantle and when the other want to dispel you hide and dispel your opponent. If you move a bit on top of it you can be pretty nasty with that, and win a load of time.
All I can say, it works. Any mage I dueled was way easyer with that hider than with a normal mage. Mages it beats include (but isn't limited to :P) talon, maxou, kristie. Maybe I never beat them with a normal one.
Still a hider/monk that's well made is immortal to that mage.
-Mel
I have no idea why i post in old ones put its fun :D
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Let's not make it a habit... -_-
That's 3 extra feats you don't need =P
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how so? i use auto still to be able to wear armor and shield without armor and fighter is the best way to get it.
-Lord Elessar
how so? i use auto still to be able to wear armor and shield without armor and fighter is the best way to get it.
-Lord Elessar
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auto still is 3 feats...
I'd use paladin anyway, for the saves :lol:
auto still is 3 feats...
I'd use paladin anyway, for the saves :lol:
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well i'm ok on that, i dont think there are other feats that i could add to it... not sure though...
-Lord Elessar
well i'm ok on that, i dont think there are other feats that i could add to it... not sure though...
-Lord Elessar
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About your build 29 mage , 10 PM , 1 fighter >> it's missing the add of monk class . Fear the fire arrow ! ( even if you have ice epic resist you're still in pain because of fire arrow ) monks add Ac too with thumble . You'll just need 3-4 feats to get armor + shield . Good for wiz though .