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Title: Legal or not? the game YOU want to play!
Post by: Celestial1 on September 21, 2004, 08:03:09 PM: Ok, heres how this game works:

I state something that is either legal or illegal, and you must decide whether it is legal or not. Give a reason why legal or illegal.

First question!

Is burning a CD for your neighbor, friend or family member legal, or illegal?
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Post by: Throbblefoot on September 21, 2004, 08:10:31 PM: Depends on what's on the CD:
- Pictures from your birthday party: legal
- Photoshop: illegal
- The latest Pink album: illegal (not to mention how awful your taste is!)

-Throbblefooy
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Post by: Celestial1 on September 21, 2004, 08:25:32 PM: Good job throbby!

Next!! (Please give others a chance to answer if you have just answered the last, and that goes for everyone.)

Downloading content from the following (note, these are not all one thing, they are mixed legals and illegals.):

1) Nappster
2) Kaaza
3) Walmart.com (music section or whatever)
4) Bearshare
5) Music city
6) Limewire
7) Morpheus

Also as a bonus question, what one of those options was at one point illegal, but is now legal?
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Post by: BzK on September 21, 2004, 08:45:39 PM: Quote
Good job throbby!

Next!! (Please give others a chance to answer if you have just answered the last, and that goes for everyone.)

Downloading content from the following (note, these are not all one thing, they are mixed legals and illegals.):

1) Nappster
2) Kaaza
3) Walmart.com (music section or whatever)
4) Bearshare
5) Music city
6) Limewire
7) Morpheus

Also as a bonus question, what one of those options was at one point illegal, but is now legal?
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Napster is legal
Kazaa is illegal
Walmart.com better be legal. =P

Rest of them I don't really know, but now since Napster is a paid service it's legal.
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Post by: Celestial1 on September 21, 2004, 08:49:41 PM: #1, 2, 3 are solved. go go go!
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Post by: Celestial1 on September 21, 2004, 10:08:29 PM: btw, google is a nice tool to find these things :P
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Post by: Illutian on September 22, 2004, 05:53:26 AM: my rule of thumb: if i ain't caught....it's legal :lol:
so my answer will always be "Legal", next question plz
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Post by: ALuCarD on September 22, 2004, 07:07:05 AM: Quote
my rule of thumb: if i ain't caught....it's legal :lol:
so my answer will always be "Legal", next question plz
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LMAO @Khager!!! thats a nice attitude. i can bet that its your motto too puaha
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Post by: Lance Ezekiel on September 22, 2004, 08:26:01 AM: Quote

Also as a bonus question, what one of those options was at one point illegal, but is now legal?
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Kaaza is NOW legal in the US :D
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Post by: Celestial1 on September 22, 2004, 08:27:12 AM: uhm,

1) ALuCaRD, don't post useless things.
2) khadgar, you LOSE.
3) lance, kazaa is incorrect
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Post by: Lance Ezekiel on September 22, 2004, 08:35:15 AM: Quote
uhm,

1) ALuCaRD, don't post useless things.
2) khadgar, you LOSE.
3) lance, kazaa is incorrect
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:lol: (http://www.kazaa.com/us/help/100percent_legal.htm) i got the kazaa legal thing from there
Click the smilie (ant i clever )
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Post by: Celestial1 on September 22, 2004, 09:06:07 AM: i hope you know you can get every known virus on kazaa.

and thats holland, not US.
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Post by: BzK on September 22, 2004, 09:29:45 AM: Just because it's legal to use the program doesn't mean downloading warez is =P
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Post by: Illutian on September 22, 2004, 09:32:36 AM: *wonders if Celest works for the RIAA*hmmmm :huh:
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Post by: Chichiri on September 22, 2004, 10:15:13 AM: Quote
Good job throbby!

Next!! (Please give others a chance to answer if you have just answered the last, and that goes for everyone.)

Downloading content from the following (note, these are not all one thing, they are mixed legals and illegals.):

1) Nappster
2) Kaaza
3) Walmart.com (music section or whatever)
4) Bearshare
5) Music city
6) Limewire
7) Morpheus

Also as a bonus question, what one of those options was at one point illegal, but is now legal?
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1) legal but was illegal BONUS QUESTION <--
2) Aperrently legal to use but not legal to download anything (Btw its kazaa not Kaaza
3) Legal
4) Illegal
5) Legal (I dont know)
6) Illegal
7) Illegal

I'm smart! Go me!
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Post by: 420 on September 22, 2004, 12:13:08 PM: Just to help clear up the issue of CD Cracks, since a lot of people seem confused about whether it's legal or not.

I quote NWN's end-user license agreement (yes I do read them). Pay close attention to what is in the parenthesis.

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"Software" shall mean the game, toolkit, and all other software contained on this disc or cartridge, all updates and/or patches thereto, any accompanying documentation, all on-line components, restricted-access NEVERWINTER NIGHTS community websites, and other BioWare or Infogrames game-related services (including all CD-authentication components).

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You may not decompile, modify, reverse engineer, disassemble or otherwise reproduce the Software.

Hope that clears things up.
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Post by: Throbblefoot on September 22, 2004, 02:41:47 PM: Quote
and thats holland, not US.
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If you read past the first paragraph, you'd read:
"On April 25, 2003, Judge Stephen J. Wilson of the United States District Court for the Central District of California ruled in favor of Streamcast Networks, Inc. and Grokster, Limited, distributors of peer-to-peer software which functions similarly to Kazaa, in a summary judgment concluding that such peer-to-peer software and its distribution is legal."

Nevertheless, it's like those semi-automatic --> fully automatic conversion kits: it's legal to own one, it is illegal to use it.

-Throbblefoot
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Post by: Chichiri on September 23, 2004, 01:54:55 AM: No Kazaa is not legal you have to read it very carefully it says "which functions similarly to Kazaa" meaning not kazaa but somthing similar to it. To say that kazaa is legal from the info given there is like saying a toaster is an oven because they both heat things.
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Post by: Elessar Telrunya on September 23, 2004, 07:21:04 AM: Quote
Just to help clear up the issue of CD Cracks, since a lot of people seem confused about whether it's legal or not.

I quote NWN's end-user license agreement (yes I do read them). Pay close attention to what is in the parenthesis.

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"Software" shall mean the game, toolkit, and all other software contained on this disc or cartridge, all updates and/or patches thereto, any accompanying documentation, all on-line components, restricted-access NEVERWINTER NIGHTS community websites, and other BioWare or Infogrames game-related services (including all CD-authentication components).

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You may not decompile, modify, reverse engineer, disassemble or otherwise reproduce the Software.

Hope that clears things up.
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erm umm can you plz put that in plain english im not good with biowares annoying technical mumbo jumbo >.<(nor anyone else's for that matter)

-Lord Elessar
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Post by: Celestial1 on September 23, 2004, 08:46:30 AM: NOOO YOU'VE DESTROYED MY BEAUTIFUL GAME!!! :P

restarting from chichiris actual answer to the question, he's right...

theres no reason on doing a CD crack illegal or not now :P

hmm... what now...
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Post by: 420 on September 23, 2004, 12:42:40 PM: Quote
erm umm can you plz put that in plain english im not good with biowares annoying technical mumbo jumbo >.<(nor anyone else's for that matter)

-Lord Elessar
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Basically, it is illegal to modify the CD-authentication, which is what a crack does.

-420
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Post by: EL CABAZONO on September 23, 2004, 02:40:12 PM: Yeah, so they need to arrest the program, not me.
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Post by: Elessar Telrunya on September 23, 2004, 03:40:48 PM: great... guess i'll just have to stop using that crack.... just another one of the billions of things that are painting the skies oh so gray...
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Post by: EL CABAZONO on September 23, 2004, 04:01:08 PM: I think clouds do that.
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Post by: Elessar Telrunya on September 23, 2004, 06:40:36 PM: it was a figure of speech >:( =p
Title: Legal or not? the game YOU want to play!
Post by: Chichiri on September 23, 2004, 07:51:13 PM: I dont know if its illegal where you all live but i use a program called alcohol 120 to make iso of my games so i never need it again and i can never lose it (unless i delete it) and you dont need to crack your game if you dont have the CD (it kicks ass for LAN parties)
Title: Legal or not? the game YOU want to play!
Post by: Celestial1 on September 23, 2004, 08:06:43 PM: i'm bored so heres another...

Is burning a CD for yourself legal or illegal?
Title: Legal or not? the game YOU want to play!
Post by: 420 on September 23, 2004, 08:18:44 PM: Quote
i'm bored so heres another...

Is burning a CD for yourself legal or illegal?
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Technically, if you burn a copywritten CD (ie published by a legally established company) it is for backup purposes only. The actual information on your CD can only be installed on one computer at a time , hence the reason for the CD Key and CD authentication.

I can go into much more detail, but basically the software companies are both covering their asses legally in case some 3rd party software breaks their product AND giving themselves room to bring legal action against the end-user for the even the smallest infractions.

-420
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Post by: Celestial1 on September 23, 2004, 08:23:51 PM: well that was fast!

you can burn CDs for yourself, as back-up purposes only!
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Post by: 420 on September 23, 2004, 08:31:46 PM: Quote
well that was fast!

you can burn CDs for yourself, as back-up purposes only!
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Not only that, but you can put your original game CD in storage and use the copied CD instead. I recommend this as standard practice to everyone since blank CDs and CD burners are so cheap now. There is no reason to ever risk wear and tear on your original programs CDs, just make copies and use them until they get scratched, broken or lost. (hint hint Elessar)

-420
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Post by: Chichiri on September 24, 2004, 01:55:30 AM: Actually the practice of burning personal copies is (stupidly) still not legal in the old U.S. of A.
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Post by: 420 on September 24, 2004, 12:21:53 PM: Quote
Actually the practice of burning perenol copies is (stupidly) still not legal in the old U.S. of A.
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D'oh, well that shows me! Like I said in the politics thread, people only follow the laws they want to anyway. I think partially because there are SO MANY laws we can't ever possibly follow them all.

Laws primarily exist so corporations have an excuse to fuck with the consumer.

-420
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Post by: EL CABAZONO on September 24, 2004, 05:53:46 PM: Not to mention the government can't enforce half of em.
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Post by: Celestial1 on September 24, 2004, 10:24:32 PM: where did you get that information chichiri? or are you referring to a CD with copy protection? :blink: because as long as it doesn't have copy protection then it IS legal in the "old U.S. of A."
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Post by: Chichiri on September 24, 2004, 11:03:09 PM: I dont really want to find it but the digital millenium copyright act of 1998 (whats up with that) says you cannot make personal copies . Also in another thread (it had somthing to do with NWN ) we have already gone over this. If i have some time i'll link it.
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Post by: Celestial1 on September 25, 2004, 12:54:36 PM: actually... heres something from a website i googled about... i researched yesterday *thumbs up*

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Ãƒ????you may legally make a copy of your CD for personal backup if you were the one who bought (and still own) the original.

see? i win! (http://www.cd-burning-software-review.toptenreviews.com/cd-copying-legal.html)
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Post by: Chichiri on September 25, 2004, 02:11:36 PM: Well its nice to know a website that makes its business selling and providing CD and DVD ripping software is behind me . (If you haven't figured it out I'm being sarcastic)
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Post by: doofer101 on September 26, 2004, 01:41:39 PM: legal or not?
running a yellow light
turning right on a red light
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Post by: 420 on September 26, 2004, 02:40:13 PM: Quote
legal or not?
running a yellow light
turning right on a red light
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Don't know about other states/countries but...

California Driver's Handbook 2004

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YellowÃƒ????A yellow signal light means Ãƒ????CAUTION.Ãƒ???? The red signal is about to appear. When you see the yellow light, you should stop if you can do so safely. If you canÃƒ????t stop, watch for vehicles that may enter the intersection when the light changes.

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Red - A red signal light means Ãƒ????STOP.Ãƒ???? You can make a right turn against a red light after you stop and yield to pedestrians, bicyclists, and vehicles that are close enough to be a hazard. Do not make the right turn until you can turn safely. DO NOT turn if there is a sign posted for Ãƒ????NO TURN ON RED.Ãƒ????
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Post by: Elessar Telrunya on September 26, 2004, 03:26:08 PM: lol geez 420 do you read everything that comes under your nose? lol

-Lord Elessar
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Post by: 420 on September 26, 2004, 03:31:54 PM: Quote
lol geez 420 do you read everything that comes under your nose? lol

-Lord Elessar
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To quote Bill Hicks: "I'm a reader."

Yes, not only do I read every single post on this forum, I also read everything else that I come across. Books, pamphlets, signs, shirts, newspapers, magazines, graffiti, tattoos and messages shaved into peoples heads.

-420
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Post by: Elessar Telrunya on September 26, 2004, 03:36:53 PM: hahhahaha lol you make it sound like your obsessed lol

-Lord Elessar
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Post by: EL CABAZONO on September 26, 2004, 05:47:41 PM: Quote
hahhahaha lol you make it sound like your obsessed lol

-Lord Elessar
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Speaking of obsession.... Nevermind.
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Post by: Chichiri on September 26, 2004, 05:56:09 PM: My philosophy for a yellow light = Run it and gun it
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Post by: doofer101 on September 26, 2004, 06:10:17 PM: yup 420 got it

i think there are a few places where u cant turn on a red in the US(not exactly sure), but in canada u can

as for the yellow light technically you're supposed to stop, but if you cant do so safely then dont try it. its actually a $167 fine here
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Post by: Chichiri on September 27, 2004, 01:29:44 AM: Your supposed to stop but if you can make it your not going to get stopped. You can go if you don't get through before the red light comes.
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Post by: Elessar Telrunya on September 27, 2004, 07:26:01 AM: Quote
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hahhahaha lol you make it sound like your obsessed lol

-Lord Elessar
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Speaking of obsession.... Nevermind.
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=P
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Post by: -=Zen=- on October 03, 2004, 08:42:50 AM: Burning down your grandmothers house, Legal or Illegal.
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Post by: EL CABAZONO on October 03, 2004, 11:23:12 AM: Quote
Burning down your grandmothers house, Legal or Illegal.
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Legal in countries except all countries except ones that allow it.
Title: Legal or not? the game YOU want to play!
Post by: Elessar Telrunya on October 08, 2004, 08:36:50 PM: heres one:
Bit Torrent(Bitorrent? i dunno how you really spell it)

my friend was talking about it at scouts and he said he didnt know if it was legal or not
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Post by: 420 on October 08, 2004, 09:15:40 PM: Quote
heres one:
Bit Torrent(Bitorrent? i dunno how you really spell it)

my friend was talking about it at scouts and he said he didnt know if it was legal or not
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"BitTorrent - allows users to download a file from multiple different people, rather than a central location."

There are quite a few programs like this, none of which are currently illegal (I think). It's basically a way around the law that brought down Napster.

-420
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Post by: Chichiri on October 09, 2004, 12:40:40 AM: It is illegal but like Limwire its extremely hard to stop because it is from multiple users and not a centralized location. But it is ILLEGAL