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Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: doofer101 on November 30, 2004, 10:01:15 PM
We've all been taught that sexism is wrong, racism is wrong, communism is wrong, etc. But is saying these things, saying anything in fact, really wrong? Our society has been brainwashed to the extreme. You people are too absorbed by what the media tells you that you have forgotten how to think for yourselves. Take the USA for example, its supposed to be a democracy right? But in a true democracy people are allowed to say anything they please, not what certain people allow them to say. So using that logic people should be able to speak their mind, it doesn?t matter if you disagree because that is what freedom of speech is: allowing people to say things that you strongly disagree with. You can censor people all you want but you cant ignore things that are happening around us every day.

I?m not saying that I agree that sexism is right, just that I believe that people who think the opposite have the right to speak their mind. Nathan, I can understand why you don?t want some of these things said on your forum, but not allowing people to say these things is just as bad, if not worse than the topics themselves. I?m tired of seeing topic after topic turn into ?thats fucking sexist stfu...? what these people should do instead is argue their point in a mature manner, and maybe they will sway the other person into seeing their point of view, or even become convinced that their point of view is in fact wrong. This will not happen however, if the admins keep closing threads and banning members for their opinions. Refer to rule #3 please.
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3. Respect the opinions and wishes of others, they are as entitled to them as you are.

The plague that is sexism/racism etc.. will never go away if not confronted. Its like a battle with cancer, if you ignore it will worsen, but if you catch it early and treat it, it can be overcome. So lets stop this silly censorship and have informed discussions minus the dumbasses who just spam to get attention.

THANK YOU
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Mo on November 30, 2004, 10:57:50 PM
No one is closing any threads.  Members who got themselves banned deserve it.  One thing that will not be tolerated for very long on this forum is racism and hatemongering.  Gladiator wished he were buried next to Hitler.  Sorry Doofer but he's not welcomed around here anymore...and he earned it.  If you disagree with me then please say so.
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: doofer101 on November 30, 2004, 11:02:34 PM
I wasn't refering to any one person actually. Its just something that I have been noticing happening here too often...
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Mo on November 30, 2004, 11:06:26 PM
Well only 2 members are currently banned.  Glad and Left Shoe
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: doofer101 on November 30, 2004, 11:07:54 PM
sorry that should have been either banned or threatened to be banned :P

my point still remains the same
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: James_2k on December 01, 2004, 06:09:59 AM
to be fair, although there is free speech, this forum is run by people and those people have the power to control what is said. to be fair, if people came into your house and started spouting racist sentiment, you would kick them out! its not much different here.

if those people in your house wanted to be racist (etc) then they can go elsewhere to do it.
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: CABAZON on December 01, 2004, 03:13:12 PM
There is nothing wrong with communism... I noticed you saying that.   Communism as we know it is not true communism, that is communism-gone-wrong (not past stage 2) where the government gets powerhungry and turns it into a "communistic" dicatorship.    True communism is quite a great concept, if humans didn't suck so much.  Read up on marxism/communism/whatever if you care to know more.
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: doofer101 on December 01, 2004, 06:29:14 PM
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to be fair, although there is free speech, this forum is run by people and those people have the power to control what is said. to be fair, if people came into your house and started spouting racist sentiment, you would kick them out! its not much different here.

if those people in your house wanted to be racist (etc) then they can go elsewhere to do it.
True enough, but this is a forum where people are posting opinion, I'm just asking Nathan to reconsider some of the rules.
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There is nothing wrong with communism... I noticed you saying that.   Communism as we know it is not true communism, that is communism-gone-wrong (not past stage 2) where the government gets powerhungry and turns it into a "communistic" dicatorship.    True communism is quite a great concept, if humans didn't suck so much.  Read up on marxism/communism/whatever if you care to know more.
If you look closely I said that people were brainwashed into this kind of thinking by the media! People in the states are extremely paranoid about communism. I did not state that it was a good or bad thing, just using it as an example.
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: CABAZON on December 01, 2004, 07:02:13 PM
You mean people in the states WERE paranoid about it. Pre 1989.

Now the blind-hate is focused on Islamic people.
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: gashmo on December 02, 2004, 12:15:27 AM
i just dont get this blind hate thing against the islamic people

they're really cool people!
they have amazing food (that's mega cool) and the food is a bit like lebanese food? its really tasty
and also - they r a very cool calm and collected people when i chat to them and they have really strong inner beliefs - and they act on them!

g bush is just overreacting - so what about a couple a thousand (3-4k) stiffs who are overrich overripe and due to be slaughtered anyway?

whats a few thousand more or less slobby yucky ny brash icky polluting humans on the earth anyway? get real.!
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Elessar Telrunya on December 02, 2004, 07:50:27 AM
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But is saying these things, saying anything in fact, really wrong? Our society has been brainwashed to the extreme. You people are too absorbed by what the media tells you that you have forgotten how to think for yourselves.
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What is wrong is usually something that would guilty the conscience, and has some morals behind it. So sexism is wrong because it degrades women. Communism as we know it is wrong because it is more of a despotism. etc. etc. etc.
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The plague that is sexism/racism etc.. will never go away if not confronted. Its like a battle with cancer, if you ignore it will worsen, but if you catch it early and treat it, it can be overcome.
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Wise words. What you have said is true about this, and I think we should all have this bit of wisdom instilled in us.

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There is nothing wrong with communism... I noticed you saying that.   Communism as we know it is not true communism, that is communism-gone-wrong (not past stage 2) where the government gets powerhungry and turns it into a "communistic" dicatorship.    True communism is quite a great concept, if humans didn't suck so much.  Read up on marxism/communism/whatever if you care to know more.
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You're right. My literature teacher once explained the true concept of communism and the one example of true communism in all of human history: the monks in the monestaries. True communism is where everything produced is equally shared with everyone within the society.


-Lord Elessar
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Mo on December 02, 2004, 02:30:16 PM
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You mean people in the states WERE paranoid about it. Pre 1989.

Now the blind-hate is focused on Islamic people.
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You may not realize that there is blind hate the other way as well.
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: CABAZON on December 02, 2004, 03:18:26 PM
You mean I love them so much I hate them?


There are MUCH less of them that hate us, and they have a REASON to hate us.
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Mo on December 02, 2004, 04:15:09 PM
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You mean I love them so much I hate them?


There are MUCH less of them that hate us, and they have a REASON to hate us.
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"You hate us?"
*think to self*  there must be something wrong with me...why would they hate me?


They hate you because you like to listen to rock and hip hop....they hate you because you let women vote and hold important social positions....they hate you  because you do not consider Mohamed a prophet...they hate you because you are secular....

If this is not blind hatered then i dunno what is...if you want them to stop hating you then you better fix the above "problems" with your culture.
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: CABAZON on December 02, 2004, 06:00:39 PM
Or maybe they hate you because you stereotype them, bomb their countries, and aide their sworn enemy.
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Post by: BzK on December 02, 2004, 07:32:30 PM
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Or maybe they hate you because you stereotype them, bomb their countries, and aide their sworn enemy.
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Are you talking out of your ass or your mouth?  They stereotype us just as much if not more!

Then again, you'd rather the terrorist supported candidate win so they can kill more of us because he doesn't know which is his left hand he flops around so much.
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Mo on December 02, 2004, 09:50:16 PM
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Or maybe they hate you because you stereotype them, bomb their countries, and aide their sworn enemy.
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Whatever...I'm not gonna attempt to educate you on how the real world works cause you're clearly a lost cause.  Bomb their country? Guess they never bombed your country.
I'm not stereotyping anyone.  I know many arabs and muslims and Islam is a great faith.  I am obviously talking about extremists fundamentalist since it is these people who *hate* you...It is these people who murder when someone speak their mind (ie. Van Gogh)...they kill people who don't agree with them and then threaten the rest with terror...These people follow and believe in bastard version of Islam, not fit for the 21th century....You don't seem to understand this and think it's all your fault that you are hated...when it's simply because you dont believe in what they believe in.  Last year a Jewish high school in Montreal was firebombed...did these children do anything wrong?  Has Canada bombed any Islamic countries recently??? Hell no...I don't even think we have any bombs up here....Anyway that didn't stop some stupid teenaged extremist to throw molotov cocktails into the school's library...His reason? Retaliation of Israel's assassination of a the head of a terrorist organization....Like those kids and their school books really had anything to do with it....

Cab ..you have no idea what your talking about...and I hope that no one who actually reads your self-hating ignorant trash will actually start questioning themselves or their country. Open your eyes.

Ps. who is this "sworn enemy"??
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: doofer101 on December 02, 2004, 10:04:52 PM
EH..... how did we start talking about this? :blink:
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Sher Reyer on December 02, 2004, 10:07:08 PM
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We've all been taught that sexism is wrong, racism is wrong, communism is wrong, etc. But is saying these things, saying anything in fact, really wrong? Our society has been brainwashed to the extreme. You people are too absorbed by what the media tells you that you have forgotten how to think for yourselves. Take the USA for example, its supposed to be a democracy right? But in a true democracy people are allowed to say anything they please, not what certain people allow them to say. So using that logic people should be able to speak their mind, it doesn?t matter if you disagree because that is what freedom of speech is: allowing people to say things that you strongly disagree with. You can censor people all you want but you cant ignore things that are happening around us every day.

I?m not saying that I agree that sexism is right, just that I believe that people who think the opposite have the right to speak their mind. Nathan, I can understand why you don?t want some of these things said on your forum, but not allowing people to say these things is just as bad, if not worse than the topics themselves. I?m tired of seeing topic after topic turn into ?thats fucking sexist stfu...? what these people should do instead is argue their point in a mature manner, and maybe they will sway the other person into seeing their point of view, or even become convinced that their point of view is in fact wrong. This will not happen however, if the admins keep closing threads and banning members for their opinions. Refer to rule #3 please.
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3. Respect the opinions and wishes of others, they are as entitled to them as you are.

The plague that is sexism/racism etc.. will never go away if not confronted. Its like a battle with cancer, if you ignore it will worsen, but if you catch it early and treat it, it can be overcome. So lets stop this silly censorship and have informed discussions minus the dumbasses who just spam to get attention.

THANK YOU
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ok, you think sexisism is right? you guys caused my favorite admin to leave this forum because of those stupid fucking topics you guys posted, and now your saying not the inforce it

end if diccusion, next person who posts somthing that's racist or sexist will be suspended for one day, and every time you do it again it'll double ---


kinda like the gs banning system
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Sher Reyer on December 02, 2004, 10:08:31 PM
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to be fair, although there is free speech, this forum is run by people and those people have the power to control what is said. to be fair, if people came into your house and started spouting racist sentiment, you would kick them out! its not much different here.

if those people in your house wanted to be racist (etc) then they can go elsewhere to do it.
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words of wisdom, thanks james
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Mo on December 02, 2004, 10:09:26 PM
If Throbble left for the reason you're stating that  is a pretty shitty reason...I read every questionable post and they hardly warrented an admin leaving...
Plus it's her job to make sure nothing sexist or hateful gets posted...she abandoned that job?  Pretty lame excuse.  imo
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Sher Reyer on December 02, 2004, 10:11:29 PM
"The plague that is sexism/racism etc.. will never go away if not confronted. Its like a battle with cancer, if you ignore it will worsen, but if you catch it early and treat it, it can be overcome.
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right if you leave it there it will get worse
if we leave these posts on this board, then everyone will thnk they can do it, this board would be cuprupted if so many people did that
we can't stop it, no, but we can treat cancer, same thing with this site
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Mo on December 02, 2004, 10:13:03 PM
Well the forum is not sick ...so chill out

There are no sexist or racist comments here.  It's in your imagination.
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Sher Reyer on December 02, 2004, 10:15:54 PM
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If Throbble left for the reason you're stating that  is a pretty shitty reason...I read every questionable post and they hardly warrented an admin leaving...
Plus it's her job to make sure nothing sexist or hateful gets posted...she abandoned that job?  Pretty lame excuse.  imo
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no, i don't truly know it for a fact, that's just waht i think.. either that or she's on a trip ...
it's not a lame excuse ---


ok so basically what your saying doofer is let these people state there opinions? and your saying let us be racist, use slang terms such as nigg** and c*ink and call people stupid jews and make fun of christen people? is that how you want tihs board to be?
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Mo on December 02, 2004, 10:17:23 PM
Well if you don't know why she hasn't been around lately then I would recommend not claiming to know the reason...otherwise you'll just spread the disease of misinformation all over the place.  Enough people already suffer from that.
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: doofer101 on December 02, 2004, 10:20:09 PM
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ok so basically what your saying doofer is let these people state there opinions? and your saying let us be racist, use slang terms such as nigg** and c*ink and call people stupid jews and make fun of christen people? is that how you want tihs board to be?
Ok, you're missing the main point. Its okay in a mature, thoughtful discussion.

Also, we call this chinese kid at school chink all the time, but hes our friend and he doesn't care, he actually likes it.
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Post by: Sher Reyer on December 02, 2004, 10:27:07 PM
right but your missing the point, the point is some people don't like it and some do, that kid at school does and I don't, we will not remove the racisim rule, end of dicussion ----
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Post by: Mo on December 02, 2004, 10:27:17 PM
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ok so basically what your saying doofer is let these people state there opinions? and your saying let us be racist, use slang terms such as nigg** and c*ink and call people stupid jews and make fun of christen people? is that how you want tihs board to be?
Ok, you're missing the main point. Its okay in a mature, thoughtful discussion.

Also, we call this chinese kid at school chink all the time, but hes our friend and he doesn't care, he actually likes it.
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Wasn't sure if I should bother a reply to that comment...but here goes.

You say he likes it?  Ok maybe...why not go into a Chinese restaurant and call people that?  What do you think about that?  Well pretend this forum is a restaurant and you don't know the people who are reading your posts...why would you want to offend someone for no good reason?

This is why there are rules here
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: doofer101 on December 02, 2004, 10:44:25 PM
No... I'm saying that people who are you're friends its okay to say to. I wouldn't dream of calling a stranger anything like that...
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Post by: BzK on December 02, 2004, 10:46:52 PM
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No... I'm saying that people who are you're friends its okay to say to. I wouldn't dream of calling a stranger anything like that...
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Then don't spout it out in a public forum.  Somebody might take offense to it.  Simple as that.  Same with racism sexism and whatever the hell else.
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Post by: Suki YO on December 02, 2004, 11:15:30 PM
Well i do belive that people are entitled to their own opinon and they should speak freely about if the they want. <_<
However that doesnt mean society's norms,folkways,and taboos will like that opinion and thats why people tend to make laws to censor certain subjects or comments.
If people dont mind you saying sexist or racists remarks by all means go ahead and rant, but since most the people here do not want to see such comments its better that such ranting be done somewhere else.
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Post by: Elessar Telrunya on December 03, 2004, 07:36:58 AM
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Or maybe they hate you because you stereotype them, bomb their countries, and aide their sworn enemy.
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Whatever...I'm not gonna attempt to educate you on how the real world works cause you're clearly a lost cause.  Bomb their country? Guess they never bombed your country.
I'm not stereotyping anyone.  I know many arabs and muslims and Islam is a great faith.  I am obviously talking about extremists fundamentalist since it is these people who *hate* you...It is these people who murder when someone speak their mind (ie. Van Gogh)...they kill people who don't agree with them and then threaten the rest with terror...These people follow and believe in bastard version of Islam, not fit for the 21th century....You don't seem to understand this and think it's all your fault that you are hated...when it's simply because you dont believe in what they believe in.  Last year a Jewish high school in Montreal was firebombed...did these children do anything wrong?  Has Canada bombed any Islamic countries recently??? Hell no...I don't even think we have any bombs up here....Anyway that didn't stop some stupid teenaged extremist to throw molotov cocktails into the school's library...His reason? Retaliation of Israel's assassination of a the head of a terrorist organization....Like those kids and their school books really had anything to do with it....

Cab ..you have no idea what your talking about...and I hope that no one who actually reads your self-hating ignorant trash will actually start questioning themselves or their country. Open your eyes.

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=/ i think us leaders are being a bit rash, but if your saying the the canadian leaders didnt do a thing about that bombing then they aren't very good. of course they are good if they did something like increase security welfare and other things to benefit the safety of the people

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ok, you think sexisism is right? you guys caused my favorite admin to leave this forum because of those stupid fucking topics you guys posted, and now your saying not the inforce it

end if diccusion, next person who posts somthing that's racist or sexist will be suspended for one day, and every time you do it again it'll double ---


kinda like the gs banning system
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WHAT?! 420 and throbble left? :angry2:   :(  :'(  noooo! i hate you stupid people i hate you i hate you i hate you!!!! :'( :'( :'(


-Lord Elessar

PS: :'(
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: CABAZON on December 03, 2004, 03:20:00 PM
This thread sucks.
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Post by: Suki YO on December 03, 2004, 05:20:05 PM
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This thread sucks.
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Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Illutian on December 06, 2004, 09:09:42 AM
*sigh* (this reply is not stated to you, but to you as a Species..it'll be poor generalization, but it applies to about 80% of the world)

ppl need to wise up, you all think ppl are gonna care what you have to say...and sometimes they do, and if you want to say things that is seen by SOCIETY as being wrong you'll be the one i see on the 5 o'clock news.  you ppl are too busy bickering like a bunch of little kids to realize how pathetic it is. it's high time the world takes a step back and re-evaluates itself. ppl want to kill me because i call God by a different name, and i know for a fact that if God is soo all knowing and soo kind then he would never want to see us kill each other.

-so plz, stop the dumbass remarks it only goes to show how ignorant you really are


(again, not stating this towards anyone here, just a lil something to remember next time you want to start bashing someone)
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: gashmo on December 06, 2004, 01:00:10 PM
that was a deep observation by khadgar..

he's not usually so deep...

maybe he had a vision??
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Wobbles on December 07, 2004, 05:54:02 PM
Wow, I feel at home here!!!!
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: gashmo on December 08, 2004, 05:07:52 AM
hi wobbles!
why do you feel at home here?
because of the debate?...
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Wobbles on December 08, 2004, 07:39:54 PM
Flamewars, Burning people!!

*Sh00ts a fire arrow in Elessar's hair* Die!
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Hydros on December 23, 2004, 07:25:44 PM
Christ... Well suspended for one day... I can take that, I sacrifice one day at this forum for using the Freedom of Speech.

1. Sexism. Okey, sexism is of course to me, a very bad thing. Though you have to differ sexism and sexuality!!! How come that womens now adays are thought as bitches. Because half of them have went to a porno magasine and took photos of themself naked. And after that they are going to show on the whole internet.
The question of porno is a very important thing when discussing sexism.

2. Communism. Eeehhh, I have never in my entire life heard that communism is a bad thing. I am not from the U.S, but I know alot of people that thought that everyone should 'have it all'. People thinking that everyone should have as much as they need, and should give as much as they can. In fact this is a very strong argument. If all lived by this we would probobly feel no envy, we wouldn't have to worry about our money. It's all calculated for the whole society. Although alot more than this follows. Capitalism is almost the opposite of communism, and alot of people wants that as well (Including me). I mean, why even try in school if you know that you will have the same things as everyone else. There are two outcomes on these two ideologys, Capitalism : The people having easy in school will focus, while the kids with problems wont do a shit, knowing they will get money from the goverment for just sitting at home, complaining. And take the money from the people that actually work - taxes.
Communism : The kids that's good in school wont focus since it wont matter, they are not grown up enough to understand that they will help the whole community by doing what they can - disaster.

3. Manipulated by media. Yes, I don't think that the people in the world actually realises how easy it is for them to make us belive what ever they want. I am certain, 100% certain that they can make us belived that it's a war. With right co operation between country media they will be able to make us belived the Third World War is breaking out. And even cause it. You see, media got information about how U.S army attacks Franche, this is bullshit but France set in a counter attack, and half europe follow france to war through the European Union. You do realise how easy this would be!? The media got alot to much power now adays, the freedom of speech have turned into something that is abused.

4. I am tired and it's christmas tomorrow, night . lOl
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Post by: Wobbles on December 23, 2004, 08:41:57 PM
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Teehee :D
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Soul Sojourner on January 14, 2005, 06:01:28 PM
You know fucking what? Why don't we all just fucking kill eachother, blow eachother the fuck up, we're all gunna fucking DIE anyway... might as well fucking KILL so you can fucking say ya lived fucking longer... and I only fucking posted this cuz I fucking like saying fuck...dammit....
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: Wobbles on January 14, 2005, 11:13:16 PM
Fuck fuckitty fuck fuck fuck.
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Post by: doofer101 on January 16, 2005, 10:31:51 PM
*gets out flamethrower*

DIEEEEEEEE
Title: This whole "sexism" thing...
Post by: gashmo on January 29, 2005, 07:38:43 AM
sexism is a good thing to have

actually for many centuries in the west/east women could not make binding legal contracts simply because they were not given the opportunity to learn about life seriously. but now i guess they are.

what irks me though is that women's choices in life do not always reflect men's choices. i am not sure this bodes well for the survival of the species when it has apparently worked well in the past.

maybe i just dont like women anyway. but then, i dont like men either. or dogs, cats, pigeons, porpoises, earwigs, whales or vegetables.
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Post by: Wobbles on January 29, 2005, 07:21:55 PM
Queer :-O
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Post by: Soul Sojourner on January 30, 2005, 07:03:04 PM
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Queer :-O
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Diddo...