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South Park vs. Revolution Muslim
Mo:
--- Quote from: 420 on April 27, 2010, 02:06:23 PM ---Frankly I don't know how anyone can be torn on this issue.
Not just because organized religion is a sham but because religious beliefs are private and personal, and there is no justification for threatening someone's life over a private and personal belief.
And seriously, when it really comes down to it, a death threat is a death threat regardless of the reason. It's simply against the law in civilized society. Even religious people have to obey the law regardless of what liberties they believe their "God" has granted them.
Also, am I the only one who thinks it's ironic that a religion can be threatened? Is there really such a thing as blasphemy? Is God (take your pick) really that much of a pussy? Maybe I'm missing the point but I thought God was a little too mature to be bullied by a bunch of mortals.
-420
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By reading that it sounds like you agree with me. South Park was stupid to do what they did, by taking people's personal and private beliefs, making them public and ridiculing them.
420:
--- Quote from: Mo on April 27, 2010, 02:27:16 PM ---By reading that it sounds like you agree with me. South Park was stupid to do what they did, by taking people's personal and private beliefs, making them public and ridiculing them.
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But what South Park does (ie satirizing religions beliefs) isn't against the law. That's why separation of church and state is so important.
On the other hand, threatening someone's life, for any reason, is against the law.
When it comes down to it the issue could be about politics, ethnicity, or gummy bears. It is simply against the law to threaten death or to even incite violence.
-420
Mo:
--- Quote from: 420 on April 27, 2010, 04:06:33 PM ---But what South Park does (ie satirizing religions beliefs) isn't against the law. That's why separation of church and state is so important.
On the other hand, threatening someone's life, for any reason, is against the law.
When it comes down to it the issue could be about politics, ethnicity, or gummy bears. It is simply against the law to threaten death or to even incite violence.
-420
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Yes. But even though it's not against the law there is something to be said for common courtesy and respect. Disrespecting people is not against the law but it's also not a good way to live.
Meclar:
I think it goes without saying that the people behind South Park are for freedom of speech. If they're so enveloped in their rights to the extent of dying for a 22 minute cartoon how much different are they than a religious extremist group willing to kill for a 1500 year old book. I see respect in practicing restraint and defusing conflict not instigating. Unfortunately some Americans think that all Muslims think like an extremist point of view and some Muslims think all Americans share South Park's perspective. Whether TV personalities like Stewart and South Park want to admit it, they have a much greater influence then I think they sometimes take responsibility for, usually referring to 'but there's puppets on our network' or 'we're a cartoon with a dancing turd'.
420:
--- Quote from: Mo on April 27, 2010, 04:08:37 PM ---Yes. But even though it's not against the law there is something to be said for common courtesy and respect. Disrespecting people is not against the law but it's also not a good way to live.
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I don't buy this at all. Are you honestly saying that disrespecting people's beliefs is equal to murder?
Beliefs are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink. See how I flout common courtesy and respect and everyone is still alive and I haven't committed any crimes?... Yeah.
--- Quote from: Meclar on April 27, 2010, 05:57:23 PM ---I think it goes without saying that the people behind South Park are for freedom of speech. If they're so enveloped in their rights to the extent of dying for a 22 minute cartoon how much different are they than a religious extremist group willing to kill for a 1500 year old book. I see respect in practicing restraint and defusing conflict not instigating. Unfortunately some Americans think that all Muslims think like an extremist point of view and some Muslims think all Americans share South Park's perspective. Whether TV personalities like Stewart and South Park want to admit it, they have a much greater influence then I think they sometimes take responsibility for, usually referring to 'but there's puppets on our network' or 'we're a cartoon with a dancing turd'.
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Again, they are not the same. Willing to die for your beliefs is not the same as willing to kill for your beliefs. The former is bravery while the latter is cowardice.
-420
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