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South Park vs. Revolution Muslim
Soul Sojourner:
Really, Meclar? So what you're saying is, if I threaten to kill you you'll give me whatever I want? Awesome.
In this sense, "defusing conflict" is equal to giving a bully your lunch money every day, simply because he demands it and you don't want to start conflict. Anyway, if you applied your strategy to American history then I have two things to say to you:
Welcome to New Britain, and Heil mein Fuhrer.
If we backed down every time someone challenged our freedom, there would be no U.S.A. We would also have let the Japanese get away with pearl harbor and Nazi's may still largely run rampant.
Essentially, if they're willing to do it anyway, despite death threats, that's willingness to die for their freedom, regardless of it's form of expression. So what if it's a cartoon? You believe some freedoms of expression should be allowed to be suppressed or taken away simply because they're not of any real significance to you?
Seriously, the need for peace is evident, but sacrificing freedom for security is not peace worth.
Meclar:
I think you're dramatizing and taking the issue out of context. I didn't say don't say anything. But out of respect for everyone wait until a more appropriate time and keep in consideration that more people are affected than just Comedy Central. Also South Park edited the episode before Comedy Central did which shows that they attempted to do that. Physical attacks and threats are two different things and the potential to carry out physical attacks is another.
Do you really think that our rights and freedoms are in threat if South Park had not aired that show or delayed it?
The more violence breaks out, wars occur and laws broken, governments increase security measures which directly influences our privacy and restricts our (elements of) freedom.
I don't think they are the same but a much greater divide between them would be one that put South Park at a moral high ground with more people than expressing a right to appease a smaller group.
Mo:
--- Quote from: 420 on April 27, 2010, 11:28:43 PM ---I don't buy this at all. Are you honestly saying that disrespecting people's beliefs is equal to murder?
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No they are no where near equal, but they are both wrong. I'm not going to get into a lesser of two evils argument, that's not the point. The point is take the fucking high road, something South Park didn't do by trampling over peolpe's beliefs.
420:
--- Quote from: Mo on April 28, 2010, 10:08:34 AM ---No they are no where near equal, but they are both wrong. I'm not going to get into a lesser of two evils argument, that's not the point. The point is take the fucking high road, something South Park didn't do by trampling over peolpe's beliefs.
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I just don't believe that disrespecting people's beliefs is wrong.
Consider this scenario: My belief is that religion is offensive and that anyone who expresses their religion publicly is disrespecting my beliefs.
Or this: My religion (the Church of 420) thinks that anyone who has more than two children should be sterilized because they are harming the environment.
Beliefs are a funny thing, not to mention dangerous, because I can make up any old crap and then accuse people of disrespecting my religion. According to you it would be wrong if anyone disagreed with me publicly or made light of my beliefs no matter how fucked up and insane they are.
My religion states that everyone must wear tighty whities on their heads, anyone who disagrees (or laughs) is disrespecting the one true religion.
-420
Mo:
--- Quote from: 420 on April 28, 2010, 02:25:38 PM ---I just don't believe that disrespecting people's beliefs is wrong.
Consider this scenario: My belief is that religion is offensive and that anyone who expresses their religion publicly is disrespecting my beliefs.
Or this: My religion (the Church of 420) thinks that anyone who has more than two children should be sterilized because they are harming the environment.
Beliefs are a funny thing, not to mention dangerous, because I can make up any old crap and then accuse people of disrespecting my religion. According to you it would be wrong if anyone disagreed with me publicly or made light of my beliefs no matter how fucked up and insane they are.
My religion states that everyone must wear tighty whities on their heads, anyone who disagrees (or laughs) is disrespecting the one true religion.
-420
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If you're not causing anyone any harm then i can respect your desire to wear tighty whities on your head.
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