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Proof that casinos are run by criminals.
« on: July 20, 2007, 12:51:20 PM »
Only a crook would accuse innocent people of being crooks. If there was ever any doubt that gambling casinos are run by organized crime this removes it:

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Prosecutors are considering criminal charges against casino gamblers who won big on a slot machine that had been installed with faulty software.
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Proof that casinos are run by criminals.
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2007, 07:22:52 PM »
The point about jamming is just an "eye for an eye" motto based opinion.

In this instance, I do not see how the Casino should take being stolen from. If you look at it, if they knew it was faulty and kept using it, then it's theft. You can understand if they were ignorant to that fact, but if they knew, then it's stealing. It's not right for the Casino not to return money when the machines jam either, but that doesn't make this right because of that.

You could change certain aspects to be something different and have basically the same scenario only with a different situation. Say it's a soda machine and you put in your dollar but get quite a few bottles of pop. Is that fair to the owners of the machine just because sodas don't go through all the way sometimes, or it occasionally robs the users of a dollar? Unless they rigged their own machine to do that, I don't see how it's fair at all. If it just happens, you can't do anything about that, but if you throw another dollar in and it keeps happening and you keep doing it for more, how is that not theft?

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." - Ghandi

I wouldn't doubt if many Casino's are poorly run in the way of being money greedy and robbing it's visitors in one fashion or another, but two wrong's just don't equal a right.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2007, 07:24:23 PM by HeLLMasteRHeLL »

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Proof that casinos are run by criminals.
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2007, 08:24:13 PM »
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The point about jamming is just an "eye for an eye" motto based opinion.
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I agree, I don't like it when journalists stick in the opinion of a vicious moron at the end of an article.

However, the fault does not lie with the patrons of the casino. The casino can't prove that every one of those people knew what they were doing and unless every one of those people chooses to return the money voluntarily it's unfair to take it back from some and not others.

If the casino feels that there is sufficient loss of money to warrant legal action they need to go after the company responsible for programing, installing and maintaining those machines. At least that is what a real business would do instead of alienating their customers. But as I said before, casinos aren't run by businessmen.

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Proof that casinos are run by criminals.
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2007, 09:30:03 PM »
I agree, they shouldn't take back from some and not others, nor assume that there was a wrong intention from every individual who used it. But then again, if it was obvious that was the intent and whatnot of the individual, I could see them being held responsible, maybe not taking back the money, but perhaps by other means. They should go after the company, I agree. It makes far more sense and is the true cause of all of the discord involving the "contraption" after all.

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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2007, 11:36:46 PM »
         Entering the casino, one is beset at every side by invitation -- invitations such as that it would take a man of stone, heartless, mindless, and curiously devoid of avarice, to decline them. Listen: a machine-gun rattle of silver coins as they rumble and spurt down into a slot machine try and overflow by the monogrammed carpets is replaced by the siren clanger of the slots, the jangling, blippeting chorus swallowed by the huge room, muted to a comforting background chatter by the time  one reaches the card tables, the distant sounds only loud enough to keep the adrenaline flowing through the gambler's veins.
          There is a secret that the casinos possess, a secret they hold and guard and prize, the holiest of there mysteries. For most people do not gamble to win money, after all, although that is what is advertised, sold, and claimed, and dreamed. But that is merely the easy lie that gets them through the enormous, ever-open, welcoming doors.
          The secret is this: people gamble to lose money. They come to the casinos for the money in which they feel alive, to ride the spinning wheel and turn with the cards and lose themselves, with the coins, in the slots. They may brag about the nights they won, the money they took from the casino, but they treasure, secretly treasure, the times they lost. It's a sacrifice, of sorts.


-- Neil Gaiman, American Gods p281-282

Showing that these people are obviously insane for not just giving it back like they should.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2007, 11:38:53 PM by Anheg »
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2007, 01:18:51 AM »
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          Entering the casino, one is beset at every side by invitation -- invitations such as that it would take a man of stone, heartless, mindless, and curiously devoid of avarice, to decline them. Listen: a machine-gun rattle of silver coins as they rumble and spurt down into a slot machine try and overflow by the monogrammed carpets is replaced by the siren clanger of the slots, the jangling, blippeting chorus swallowed by the huge room, muted to a comforting background chatter by the time  one reaches the card tables, the distant sounds only loud enough to keep the adrenaline flowing through the gambler's veins.
          There is a secret that the casinos possess, a secret they hold and guard and prize, the holiest of there mysteries. For most people do not gamble to win money, after all, although that is what is advertised, sold, and claimed, and dreamed. But that is merely the easy lie that gets them through the enormous, ever-open, welcoming doors.
          The secret is this: people gamble to lose money. They come to the casinos for the money in which they feel alive, to ride the spinning wheel and turn with the cards and lose themselves, with the coins, in the slots. They may brag about the nights they won, the money they took from the casino, but they treasure, secretly treasure, the times they lost. It's a sacrifice, of sorts.


-- Neil Gaiman, American Gods p281-282

Showing that these people are obviously insane for not just giving it back like they should.
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2007, 10:36:29 PM »
As far as I'm concerned triumph for the people.

Then again if a soda machine spit out a bunch of sodas or the machine spewed out of the coin return....I think I just might take it.

Once when I was a teenager an ATM gave me an extra 20 bucks.  My dad made me return it. Eight years later I over draw on an account and fortunately I have a savings account that further funds will be deducted until I can balance out the account that was overdrawn.
The bank charges 90 dollars for an over drawn fee...

Las Vegas or casinos aren't made on winners...well give these few people a good day.

Oh faulty machines? What about the amount of money casinos make off faulty people?

How about coming to a compromise and have the people DONATE the money to charity?

It's like smokers suing tobacco companies but in reverse.  Why would a casino take legal action against its customers for doing what the company solicits?

It's not stated in the article but were those who came forward rewarded to enforce honesty or do people know better now and will stay silent when malfunctions occur?
I'm not advocating positive re-enforcement for good moral behavior but from the casinos stand point it would be good business.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2007, 11:01:18 PM by Meclar »